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General Forum Sell me on CFE    Wee Scrivener Trell        4/30/2013 I have honestly never used CFE in my life, but I hear many good things about it. I hear many, many things. Yet, I find myself ever hesitant. What are the pros and cons? Can you mix CFE Norns with non CFE Norns? How prone are they to getting EE? I'm especially curious now that I've gotten back into gengineering, and I'm trying to decide which to use for my upcoming breed. So... Sell me on CFE? Trell "Holy crap in a casket!"   Malkin Manager     4/30/2013 Essentially, the norns can remember their past better, and they can remember each other better. This means that they can make more intelligent decisions regarding who to breed with, or what to do. The elevation lobe means that norns are less likely to get stuck staring at an out-of-reach bramboo berry, and swimming norns can swim better, because they have a greater spatial awareness. They don't see the buttons as being an endless source of fun, and they don't become obsessed with them. Vampess doesn't recommend mixing CFE with non-CFE, as they can inherit half-and-half brain structures, with unknown effects. They are roughly as prone to getting EE Syndrome as other norns, I don't know if there is a significant difference there. I do recommend you give them a try at some point - you could easily corral the Pearl Mermaids into their own population and see what you think. My TCR Norns   Sanely Insane RisenAngel Manager     4/30/2013 In addition to the above, the CFE are much less likely to become stupid later on in life and refuse to eat even when told - they retain the lessons they learn through life much, much better than normal norns do. The downside to this is that slappy CFEs are more likely to remain slappy throughout their whole lives. CFEs also don't do that thing where they constantly push an elevator even though it can't go higher - they only use elevators when trying to follow a scent. If you want to see them at work: it's no surprise that Erlking, having a CFE genome, was the winner of Spykkie's first wolfling run. I think she still has the videos for that run up on her livestream. Also, if you've used any of my recent breeds, you've used at least partially CFE creatures. Edit2: Also, I see you've adopted CreatureLink creatures. Every single one of those is a CFE norn. On breeding: The aformentioned wolfling run had a ton of half-CFE norns (courtesy of Erlking), and the results are in the adoptions section if you want to check them out. Besides that, I've bred CFE with non-CFE a couple times, and generally there were no issues (though you might get the occasional slider or creature who dies shortly after being born). Besides the "slappy creatures might remain slappy for their whole life" thing I mentioned earlier, the CFE are superior to normal creatures. The question isn't "Why use the CFE?," it's "Why NOT use the CFE?" Edit: And one more thing: The default version of the CFE cannot become immortal in any way. If you hate immortals as much as I do, that's one more reason to give them a spin. That said, if you actually don't mind that or even want it to happen, there's an additional version that can mutate to become immortal. ~ The Realm ~ Risen Angel's Creatures Blog   Wee Scrivener Trell     4/30/2013 So CFE is a good one to use for new breeds? Trell "Holy crap in a casket!"   Air Guitarist kezune     4/30/2013 I would say so. It's more popular and produces smarter creatures in general. Updated Rehosting Policy[/title]   Wee Scrivener Trell     4/30/2013 I think I'll try it for this new breed. Trell "Holy crap in a casket!"   Sixty Third Karias   4/30/2013 Uh oh, here it goes. . . What does CFE stand for and what exactly is it? I hear of it a lot and only understand a vague idea of what it really is. -Karias; a bit fruity and gone bananas in the wrong climate!   Malkin Manager     4/30/2013 CFE stands for Creatures Full of Edits, a new genome variant with improved brains and less likeliness of turning immortal/immobile. My TCR Norns   Air Guitarist kezune     4/30/2013 Creatures Heaven - CFE CFE stands for Creatures Full of Edits. I think everyone's done a good job of explaining it in this thread. ;D EDIT: I seem to have been ninja'd. Updated Rehosting Policy[/title]   Sixty Third Karias   4/30/2013 Thanks, see, that's what the smiley was for. I figured it was a simple genetic variant but just wanted a little clarification. -Karias; a bit fruity and gone bananas in the wrong climate!   Malkin Manager     4/30/2013 Ok - so what's still confusing you? They can remember if other creatures have been kind or mean to them, and can respond to them accordingly. e.g. choosing to mate with someone else. They have a greater appreciation of height, as well as distance, resulting in less likelihood of them getting stuck beneath a particular bramboo berry or patch plant fruit and going to find another lower-down one. For swimming creatures, this can also improve their swimming skills. They have better memories in general for events that have happened to them in their lives. They won't become immobile through losing their pose genes or navigation genes. They won't get obsessed with buttons and lifts to the exclusion of all else. They have an unmutable digestion system, and they can't cheat death due to getting stuck in a lifestage. They won't express regularly to reduce their crowdedness, which results in an increased crowdedness. A small bug in the original genomes' painly overwhelmsion organ has been fixed. My TCR Norns   Sixty Third Karias   4/30/2013 Nothing, looks all covered to me. -Karias; a bit fruity and gone bananas in the wrong climate!   Prodigal Sock Ghosthande     4/30/2013 For what it's worth, I've never had a CFE/non mix Creature with behavioral problems... or at least, none that were more noticeable than your standard non-CFE Creature. All my breeds use CFE genomes, but there are still a lot that don't (or didn't) have CFE versions, so I've ended up mixing the two types quite a bit over the years. You might occasionally get a Norn that's unusually stupid, but I've never had anything as drastic as some of the other problems interbreeding can sometimes cause, eg. sliders.   Pankypie   5/26/2013 Here's a question: I have the CFE genome pack which includes the "pay-to-play" versions if you will of the Bondi, Hardman, and Treehugger norns. But I never was able to purchase those breeds, and as far as I know, they are not available for free download. I've attempted to hatch some CFE Bondis and Treehuggers, and they turn out looking like magma norns. I can deal with them not having the correct sprite sets. What I'd like to know is will they exhibit the same genetics/characteristics of the Bondis, Hardmans, or Treehuggers?   Lollipop Lord C-Rex     5/26/2013 Yes they do, Pankypie.   Pankypie   5/26/2013 Thanks C-Rex , I couldn't imagine why they wouldn't. That and I was too lazy to wait it out for a behavioral confirmation after a few hours of raising the little guys. ^^;;

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