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 Amaikokonut    |
Poll is closed! Looks like the dates are set for November 1st-14th. Looking forward to it  ** WHEN and HOW LONG should CCSF '09 be? Please choose only one of each: [] August (We'll have the whole summer to prepare!) [] November (Celebrating 10 years of Creatures 3!) [] December (We need all the time to prepare we can get!) [] Other (Please post your suggestion) [] One Week (a short, intense burst of fun!) [] Two Weeks (As per tradition!) [] One Month (The party never ends!) [] Other (Please post your suggestion) ** I'll post the collective results of all the polls after 1-2 weeks (that should give everyone a chance to get their voice in) and probably a secondary poll so we can work out the specific dates   [Naturing :: Nurturing] |
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 Malkin Manager |
There is a poll system on CC.com, right here. I don't particularly have an opinion on when the CCSF should be. Personally, I found August rather inconvenient as where I live that's when school starts to bear on you like a ton of rectangular-brick-shaped things, but then November and December are busy too... Although if you waited for the perfect time, you'd never find it, lol. I feel that it should err to the shorter side of things - one or two weeks, so that there's a greater chance there'll be enough submissions to release something (or enough activities to do something) every day. My TCR Norns |
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 Epaeris |
November and a month. November is my birthday month!  |
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Amaikokonut |
The poll system isn't integrated into the forums though, as far as I can tell, and I wanted to make write-ins as easy as possible so everyone could get their side in. I agree that there really is no such thing as the perfect time, especially with the diversity in the CC. For me August is ideal because classes don't start until the end of the month and the months toward the end of the year are so busy with holidays and such. But I wouldn't mind it earlier in November either, especially since November 1st marks the 10 year anniversary of C3's release, which would be quite fitting. I tend toward the shorter side of things too... I think the shorter festivals tend to be a lot more concentrated and memorable than the ones that drag on, especially if we're lacking in content, which seems to be the case more and more as the years go by and the community shrinks  And heeey, November is my birthday month too [Naturing :: Nurturing] |
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 Dreamnorn |
Amaikokonut wrote: I agree with this statement 100%. My own classes start at the end of August, but the commemoration of a decade of C3 is a very nice option too. Unfortunately, November is one of the busiest months of the year for me (especially this year, I'll bet, since I'm moving to a new school). As for the duration, I think two weeks is good. Short enough so people are active, and long enough so that we can party for a little while.   |
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Epaeris |
Yes, I liked to change mine to two weeks. |
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Malkin Manager |
Well, if people want to be anonymous, it could be useful to create a poll and link it... Although hearing people's reasons why they think this or that is probably more useful than the raw data. My TCR Norns |
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Amaikokonut |
After a full week, the complete tallied results across all forums are as such: When: August -- 7 votes November -- 12 votes December -- 0 votes How Long: One Week -- 2 votes Two Weeks -- 14 votes One Month -- 2 votes And a write-in for 3 weeks The votes pretty much speak for themselves. Two weeks in November it is! So, November 1st-14th? Kicking it off with C3's 10th birthday? Any objections? [Naturing :: Nurturing] |
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Malkin Manager |
When is C3's 10th birthday? I think it should be in the middle of festivities. My TCR Norns |
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Amaikokonut |
C3's 10th birthday is November 1st. [Naturing :: Nurturing] |
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 rainbowcat1 |
I didn't find out about this until it was too late to vote, but I like the November 1-14th idea. I think it would definitely be appropriate. "Everything you can imagine is real" ~Pablo Picasso  |
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Amaikokonut |
November 1st-14th won out at 8-0 vote in a poll someone took on Creaturetopia. So unless nine people find those dates to be completely unacceptable, it looks like we have our date set. And so early in advance too! I have high hopes for this year [Naturing :: Nurturing] |
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Malkin Manager |
Why was the poll only on Creaturetopia? My TCR Norns |
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Amaikokonut |
The first poll was run on three forums and the total number of votes cast on the Creaturetopia poll accounted for over 80% of all the votes. So to keep things simpler the second poll (which consisted of "Is November 1-14 okay, y/n" ) was run on Creaturetopia first with the idea that if there was any contest we would try to gather votes from other forums. But since it was an absolute landslide vote (100% of people agreed on the dates), it was estimated that even if everyone else on the other forums disagreed with it, the people that agreed with it would still be in the majority. But hey, it's not set in complete stone. There's still several months to debate it if there are a lot of people in hiding that want to protest it, but most people seem to be happy with these dates. [Naturing :: Nurturing] |
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Malkin Manager |
And I'm just saying that had I been aware of this Creaturetopia-only poll, I would have raised my objection to the dates, with the reasoning being that having the anniversary right at the start is somewhat anticlimactic. I'm disappointed that it was only run on Creaturetopia, and I think that my reasoning behind the date is sound, despite the slight flaw that it would push the CCSF into an October-November date. It's harder to change the results of a poll if you never knew about it in the first place. My TCR Norns |
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Amaikokonut |
You have raised your objection, and it has been heard. The poll results are not the deciding factor-- the community is. The poll merely exists as a numerical estimate of the what the majority wants. Like I said, it's not set in stone. But the fact still stands that at the moment, you are the only one who has objected to the dates. If others protest, and those protesters become the majority, then the dates will change. That goes for everyone-- if you protest the dates, don't be afraid to speak out. It wouldn't do to set the dates for a time that the majority doesn't want [Naturing :: Nurturing] |
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Malkin Manager |
Have you brought up my reasoning behind my dislike of the 1-14th November dates to the "majority poll" on Creaturetopia? I would really appreciate it if you could. I just think it would be anticlimactic to start with the anniversary - if the whole reasoning behind the November date is to coincide with the anniversary, where would be best to have the anniversary? The first of November seems like it will fall on the weekend, which is really lucky from a 'people might be able to get online' perspective...My TCR Norns |
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Amaikokonut |
Alright, I'll do that Man though, times like these I miss the GW forums. It would clear up a lot of confusion and keep everyone on the same page if we all just had one central hub to discuss this stuff at. XD [Naturing :: Nurturing] |
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 3kul |
I've registered here at Creaturescaves (thought I had an account here but apparently I didn't) because I just wanted to make some things clear, and since some of you don't browse Creaturetopia any posts I make there won't reach you. I posted the poll on Ctopia because - as Amaikokonut pointed out - we got much more of a response from there than any other forum. 18 Ctopia members voted for the month that they wanted and 17 voted for a time period, and considering that only 5 Ccaves members have shown interest in this thread (6 if you want to include Amaikokonut) you can probably see why I might have thought that Ctopia had the majority of voters. My initial mindset was that I'd post it on Ctopia and if the poll results were close I'd post it on other forums, but at the moment the poll is 8-0 in favour of a Nov 1st-14th CCSF (and people can keep voting until Tuesday/Wednesday if they really want). But all that aside, do keep in mind that the Ctopia poll is not the be-all and end-all. If somebody here wants to start up a poll, then by all means feel free to! We can factor in the votes from Ctopia and tally those numbers up to decide. It really doesn't bother me, I just thought that since we were on a roll with making decisions we might as well keep rolling. I honestly didn't think that anybody would mind, but it looks like I was wrong. To those of you whom I've upset, I'm sorry, but in my defense nobody even so much as hinted at wanting an October CCSF in any of the earlier polls, and I don't see how you can have a November CCSF that intersects with the C3 anniversary if it doesn't start on the 1st. |
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Malkin Manager |
Thank you, 3kul. I hope you will continue to cross-post polls etc. on multiple forums. Has there been any outreach to the German-speaking CC? If the entire point of why people wanted November was because it would intersect with the anniversary, doesn't it make sense to think about when in the two weeks to put it? An October CCSF was not in the poll, so that's why people didn't really go for an October date and I'm not sure we knew when exactly the anniversary was. My TCR Norns |
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3kul |
Well that all depends on how many forums I have to cross-post on In regards to there not being an 'October' option in the poll, there was an 'Other' option with a request for people to specify exactly which month they wanted, so the opportunity for people to suggest October was there. It's also worth noting that even though it was available as an option December didn't get a single vote (the only months that got any votes were August and November), so I think that you'd be hard pressed to argue that the only reason October wasn't considered was because it wasn't there as a specific choice in the poll. I'd also like to think that the people who did vote put a bit of thought into considering their options. To select November without even thinking of finding out when C3's anniversary is and to not suggest October just because nobody else suggested it seems a bit foolish to me, but if those are real problems then sadly it means that this poll is pretty much useless and we're back to square one. Considering that we've still got heaps of time before even the earliest of suggested months we can always do a more detailed repoll, but do you really think that the results would be so different if we did? As Amaikokonut has pointed out, you are the only person to complain about this so far Malkin. If what you've said about people voting for November without considering October is true, then shouldn't I be explaining all of this to multiple people? Malkin wrote: I don't know if somebody else has tried or not, but I haven't heard of any attempts to let the German CC know about the CCSF. I didn't contact them myself because (a) I don't speak a lick of German, (b) I don't know anybody from the German CC, (c) I didn't think to contact them in the first place (mostly this one ) and (d) even though it might seem like it I'm not trying to run the show here. You're more than welcome to try contacting them yourself about this Malkin (or anybody else, if you want to help out), but right now I don't really have any plans to. |
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Malkin Manager |
Here, A2K and CreaturesForum.de might be a good start. CreaturesFrance seems to have moved... Dusting off my Studies notes, when people are given a set of options, unless there's a clear reason why the options are completely stupid, they'll choose from the options presented rather than voting for other. As the other months weren't entirely stupid suggestions, (unlike.. say.. 'let's run it in June, lol!!!!!!!' ) there was no push for an October festival. I was not aware that C3's anniversary was the first, I imagine that others who have joined the CC since 1999 may also have this gap in their knowledge. It's not as huge a change to the Creaturetopia-exclusive poll results as you're suggesting it is - my suggestion of putting 1 November in the middle would only make the festival run from 21 October - 7 November, a week off the current schedule. There could even be a secondary Halloween theme going then. If I am the only person who is objecting, perhaps it's because others aren't aware of the situation, and there's a problem with the cross-forum discussion and flow of information about the Creatures Community Spirit Festival. I had raised the idea of the anniversary being in the middle before you made the Creaturetopia-exclusive poll - maybe once it's raised, people will begin discussing it? Given my disenfranchisement from the CCSF, I don't think I would be the best spokesnorn to the German-speaking CC. My TCR Norns |
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Amaikokonut |
Well I'll throw in my two cents on this anyways. You keep mentioning the "Creaturetopia-exclusive poll" like we're ignoring all opinion outside it. Just because no one set up a scripted poll here doesn't mean your opinion wasn't asked and wasn't going to be counted. It was clearly asked in the date proposal if there were any objections. There was one objection (yours) and one agreement (rainbowcat's). Those are taken into account. (There was also a single agreement on A2K, if that makes any difference.) All the Creaturetopia poll did was give people the option of clicking dial buttons to vote instead of typing in a yea or nay in a post box. If you want to set up a scripted poll so people can vote using clicks instead of words, you're more than welcome to do so, but in the end, it's all just a method of gathering people's opinions. People are aware of your side now. We've been discussing it in this thread for a while now and a notice has been posted on Ctopia about it. Your voice has been heard; your suggestion has been made known to all who are interested enough to read threads about the festival. There should no longer be any problems with the flow of information. If people change their opinions, as it has been said before, the dates will change. But it still stands that right now, counting the 8 yes's on Ctopia, the 1 yes on A2K, the 1 yes and 1 no here, the majority is still in favor of running it the first two weeks of November. If you're unhappy with that, run a dial-button poll here if you believe that will make a difference, start a campaign to rally more votes to your cause if it's that important to you, whatever you feel you need to do, and in the end the majority will rule. As for the German CC, I suppose the best person to speak to them about that would be... someone who knows German. Which would not be me. Any suggestions? [Naturing :: Nurturing] |
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Malkin Manager |
No, I'm mentioning the Creaturetopia-exclusive poll to point out that it is exclusive of some segments of the community to run a poll exclusively on one forum. Why do you have to make this about "sides"? I'm just saying, and I have said prior to the Creaturetopia poll, that perhaps the anniversary date should be in the middle of events, rather than at the start. It's not such a big change from what the poll ended up being, but I'm disappointed that it could have been an option in the poll, if the lines of communication had been better. Thanks for saying there'll be more of an effort to communicate twixt forums better, I appreciate it. Also, you don't need to speak fluent German to post on the German forums... just simple, proper English. My TCR Norns |
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