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KC11
    

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12/25/2010 | |
Discuss.
Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)>
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Pyromaniac605
 
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12/25/2010 | |
Not going to happen, if Gameware aren't making another Creatures game for whatever reason then there is no way they will make a port to iPad.
Albia Volcanis -Updated 23/2 |

Harlequinade
 
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12/25/2010 | |
Meh, laptops are superior, in my opinion. |

KC11
    

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12/25/2010 | |
@pyro: There's always community, if we could all raise our collective fists and whatnot.
@Harle: This is less for the superiority of the laptop (which I agree with) and more about waking up the franchise. How big do you think it'd be if word got round that if you wanted to create complex, learning, growing, fucntioning, and adorable life on your computer...there's an app for that?
If the owners of Creatures wanted something big, there'd be no better plan than this. Creatures is something that can translate to the ipad nicely without having to change it around ala Creatures Playstation (a miserable failure)
Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)>
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Harlequinade
 
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12/25/2010 | |
Oh, I don't know, the playstation game didn't get too poor reviews.
And how would you speak to your norns and tell them to do things? It seems to me that the ipad tries to be too simple for its own good. |

LuciaInFurs
   

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12/25/2010 | |
I dont see why they'd make a game for the ipad which no one owns while they know that the fanbase are more-than-competent PC users. The game (or at least, the community they'd be relying on to make a prophet) relies quite heavily on third party content, and I'm not sure how easy it would be to have that element on an ipad.
The Electric Angels (my blog)
http://luciainfurs.wordpress.com/
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it's just god when he's drunk"
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Harlequinade
 
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12/25/2010 | |
If they released a new Creatures or bought much attention to the series by adding it to the ipad, surely the community would largely expand. |

Pyromaniac605
 
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12/25/2010 | |
Well personally I'd much rather a proper Creatures 4 on PC with community made content for the existing fanbaes rather than some stupid, half-***ed iPad app which probably wouldn't help the existing fanbase or create a fanbase of it's own.
Albia Volcanis -Updated 23/2 |

Harlequinade
 
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12/25/2010 | |
Of course we all would prefer that. But a new Creatures ANYTHING would help the existing fanbase by bringing more people into it. |
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Laura
    

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12/25/2010 | |
The franchise/community could do with a bit of rejuvenation, but I believe this has to come from within the community itself, in this indefinite absence of any official release.
I'd probably have a more indepth viewpoint if I actually owned an iPad. If I did own one though, I'd likely stick to playing Creatures on the computer. I don't imagine that an iPad app would do our treasured series any justice, and instead I think it would take away some of the charm that makes Creatures what it is.
Sure, an app could be cutesy and quirky, but if we ever do get a new release, I'd rather that potential new players were attracted by an actual game, and not drawn in by some (in my view) mediocre substitute for the real thing. |

Harlequinade
 
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12/25/2010 | |
I suppose some of it may come down to whether you would prefer Creatures veterans to stick to the game, or for more people to be attracted to it. |

Pyromaniac605
 
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12/25/2010 | |
Even if they did make an iPad version, that version would have to have a completely seperate fanbase because there is no way they could make anything resembling the aspects of the PC classics.
Even then I'm sure we would absolutely hate Gameware for giving us a mediocre iPad app instead of another fantastic PC game.
Albia Volcanis -Updated 23/2 |

Liam
  

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12/25/2010 | |
I think an iPad port of Docking Station would be fantastic, personally. It suits the platform perfectly.
Unfortunately, I doubt it's going to happen, for a couple of reasons; the engine is a bit of a mess, which makes it difficult to port, and it's very outdated--it'd take a lot of workarounds just to make stuff display. It also takes up a lot of memory.
- Liam / K'aeloree
Spellhold Studios, a Baldur's Gate II, Neverwinter Nights and Oblivion Modding Community |

Don
   

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12/26/2010 | |
Gameware have always said they are looking to try and get a 3D Creatures game in development (*if* they could find an investor), and we know they have a real interest in the mobile market from their past projects, including Creebies.
Now although these projects so far have been Nokia/Symbian based, I wouldn't think Creatures on the iPad/iPhone would be too unplausible.
I suspect if they did make such a game it might be similar to the game they were recently concerned infringed on their patents:
http://www.tactileentertainment.com/
Don
AmberCreatures
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Harlequinade
 
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12/26/2010 | |
I really wish I did not watch that. |

Jessica
    

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12/26/2010 | |
A Creatures app for the iPad would indeed be interesting, but I would much rather see time invested into the core series of PC games. I feel like the main fan base utilizes one platform, and to keep the series alive, bigger and better things should come about to keep the current players interested. I'm all in favor of gaining new members of the community and Creatures players, yet I feel like they should also be introduced to the core game. I see apps as spin-offs of actual games in the majority of cases, rather than freestanding games.
An iPad app based off of one of the existing games might raise awareness, but as it was mentioned before, the technology is very outdated. All in all, I would love to see an official presence for the series come to life again! Hopefully our efforts haven't gone unnoticed: We still love Creatures!
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LoverIan
    
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12/30/2010 | |
I say, if they were to do anything with Apple, here's my idea:
They'd make a creatures version, for the Iphone. More people have it (either that, or the IpodTouch).
I mean, if they had a way for it to hook up with your C3 and DS, it'd be awesome. Take your creatures on the go. Though, on the laptop is better!
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Tarlia
 
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1/1/2011 | |
...Wouldn't an IPad/IPhone version just be a cute little game, and not really a real simulation program? I mean, you wouldn't have the sort of control/freedom necessary to raise generations upon generations of norns, make backups of norns and worlds, customize your game, create custom content, etc... Or at least it would be a lot more difficult. I don't know. I'm not interested in a cutesy little game, similar to a modern tamagotchi. I want a full-blown artificial life simulator, where I am in complete control, and where I can play comfortably on a large screen.
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LuciaInFurs
   

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1/1/2011 | |
I think you're right, Tarila. I'd quite like a simple virtual pet that happened to look a little like a norn just because it'd be fun and nostalgic, but to call it a Creatures game would be twisting the concept of what Creatures is to the point where it wouldn't be fair to compare it to the original series a all.
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http://luciainfurs.wordpress.com/
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"Don't you know there ain't no devil,
it's just god when he's drunk"
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Tarlia
 
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1/1/2011 | |
Exactly. What I want to see, more than anything else, is a more complex brain. And that's not going to happen in a phone app. |

Pyromaniac605
 
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1/1/2011 | |
Please read this whole post, I believe we are all posting here to get our opinions heard, that is what I hope this post will acheive.
[AppleRant]Honestly, I never liked the iPad to begin with "Oh look we made a nice portable device with all sorts of useful apps" "Oh won't you look at that? We made it huge and almost entirely importable, you're welcome."
Honestly can you imagine if Nintendo brought out a DS with huge 18" screens! It destroys the whole purpose of it. (Much like the XL nearly did)[/AppleRant]
[CreaturesRant] Before even trying to imagine what the app would be like remember the catchphrase, you could even say the very essence of the Creatures series "Creatures is artificial life" such a port would largely lack simulated brains, genes, dna etc and would lack the third-party content which, and I can't emphasise this enough, is what has kept the Creatures community going strong for more than 10 years. Any Creatures game lacking third party content in particular is often considered largely inferior. If Gameware did attempt to make this port/app they would be risking losing what respect they have left from the fanbase.[/CreaturesRant]
To sum up:
Creatures 4 (PC) = Massively helpful to the community
Inferior iPad/Pod app = Bad for the fanbase and hurtful to the community who have been hoping for another game for a decade now
Any Creatures game not on PC with advanced artificial life and third party content would be a huge, huge insult to the CC.
This is my own opinon and does not necessarily represent the views and opinions of the community
But if you do agree with me, let me know, I wonder who else shares my opinion.
Albia Volcanis -Updated 23/2 |

Tarlia
 
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1/1/2011 | |
I do agree, entirely. Of course, we are not going to be seeing another Creatures title, either way. But if by some miracle we did, I wouldn't want it to be a silly little pets app for Apple's latest gadget. |

althalus99
   
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1/1/2011 | |
Don't be so negative about the idea of another Creatures game, Tarlia! The way you said that makes it seem as if you don't want another Creatures game.
Now for my main point. I don't actually own an Ipad myself, but I agree with the other statements and it probably would be just BAD. Secondly, Creatures for PS1 = bad idea. They just didn't have the technology back then for it to work. But think about it nowadays. There is far more compatibility now. What with memory cards that are probably (I don't actually own a PS3) much more powerful and advanced, it could work.
And the problem of talking to your Creature has already been solved: pack a microphone in with the game! I don't actually know but I gather that voice recognition technology is quite good by now. Plus, with the PlayStation move coming soon or already out (I don't know) there are more possibilities still! Mainly, in Creatures 3 and Docking Station you have the ability to pick up your Creatures. Imagine doing that for real! There would also probably be more chance of a 3D Creatures game working and not being one giant glitch on an actual console.
I am not saying anything bad about the PC's capabilities, in fact I quite believe that the graphics would be just as good. What would worry me is the fact that Creatures takes up so much space. Think about it. The creatures would look GLORIOUS in today's graphics and they would not be much of a problem on the PC. That is until you take into account how huge the Creatures game engine is. Then both the graphics and the game engine become two giants battling it out for space on your PC, doubtlessly leading to glitches in both of them, which isn't good. Then it's going to vastly slow down your computer; any other programs on it, the internet and basically your whole system.
Finally, you realise you no longer have any space to download other stuff, such as anti-virus software. All this and the players will be expecting new features to be in the game. The cute little Norns, the computer whiz Ettins and those devious little Grendels have wrecked your computer. They looked so innocent on the box too! Then along comes Dr. Richard Marks (head of Sony Gaming) with his PS3. The PS3 would have far less problems than the PC, I think because instead of a hard drive and RAM, the PS3 has memory cards. Even if the game took up two or three memory cards, Dr. Marks would come up with something clever like a multi tap only for memory cards.
Penultimately, you can buy more memory cards, which means in theory unlimited space. However, you cannot buy more hard drive space and RAM, which means definite limited space. As for my earlier idea of voice recognition, if the customers don't like it then just bring out a keyboard add on or even put something in the device that allows you to hook up your actual keyboard! Finally, I would like to see this happen. A lot.
So, if anyone would like it to happen too then please say so. Together we can do this! If you are in, spread the word! Let all your buddies know about the plan! Alone, or as a group just standing about pining, nothing will happen and we almost certainly won't be seeing another Creatures title unless Gameware Development decide to make one and get funding. But united we can bring about the release of Creatures 4!
Viva las Vegas - or not, it's up to you. |

Tarlia
 
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1/1/2011 | |
Edit:
Uh... yeah. Never mind. |

althalus99
   
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1/1/2011 | |
What I meant when I said that was because you said, and I quote "Of course, we are not going to be seeing another Creatures title, either way".
Viva las Vegas - or not, it's up to you. |

Tarlia
 
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1/1/2011 | |
We are, most likely, not. "It's not going to happen" is not the same thing as "I don't want it to happen". |

Jessica
    

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1/1/2011 | |
I see your point about bringing Creatures to the console gaming systems, althalus99, but I think the majority of players see Creatures as a computer game. The community has been built up around the series in this way, and I don't see how any third party content could be developed for a PS3 or Xbox 360 version.
Although not the greatest example, take a look at The Sims 3. Different versions have been released for the iPhone and console games, but the vast majority of reviews point out how much these games are missing. I understand and agree that they are different games in themselves, but speaking hypothetically, the next Creatures game almost certainly must be for the PC/Mac.
Just my thoughts, though! As Tarlia said, even though the chances of seeing a new Creatures game are very slim, I would be very, very excited and interested in it! I think the community as a whole needs to stay positive about the current games, and hopefully try to gain new members. We're basically the lifeforce behind Creatures at this point, and focusing on what we have now seems like a good idea. I'm not opposed to hoping for a new game, though! I just think it's important not to lose sight of the games and community we have.
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Tarlia
 
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1/1/2011 | |
I've briefly played Sims 3 for the PC (wasn't my thing, I prefer Sims 2), and I also got the chance to try out Sims 3 for PS3 - and I've got to say, the PS3 one was TERRIBLE. The controls were not suited for a console at all, and thus felt very poorly executed and clunky to play in comparison with the PC original.
This is a general problem with ports, of course, but it's also a matter of fact that some types of games just are better suited for a computer, while others are better for consoles. Most strategy games, simulators and certain types of RPGs are always going to be best on a PC. |

Pyromaniac605
 
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1/1/2011 | |
@athalus99 You are hugely underestimating PCs Hard Drive space would only be a problem for people with ancient computers, or those playing on laptops already packed with software.
Creatures started on computer with 6 game release on PC, most of them big hits, and only 3 off PC, huge failures, they should not make the same mistake again, a PC game is what we need.
PCs are vastly superior to consoles because they are entirely upgradable, on a console you can upgrade the hard drive, so what? that isn't going to improve graphics, PCs are much better suited to game like Creatures, the games were designed for PC specifically, they shouldn't change now.
Albia Volcanis -Updated 23/2 |

althalus99
   
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1/2/2011 | |
Unfortunately, I AM using an ancient laptop already packed with software!
Viva las Vegas - or not, it's up to you. |
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Laura
    

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1/2/2011 | |
Can you relax a little, Althalus, please? At the end of the day, this is just a topic on a Creatures fan forum, and everybody's entitled to post their own view (i.e. Tarlia) even if you disagree with what they have to say.
That goes for anyone else who's deciding to be a bit forceful with their opinion. I've noticed too much of this going on in the forums lately. Let's chill out a bit and try to remember that these forums are meant to be fun. |

ColonelJ
 
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1/4/2011 | |
Being a fan of Apple products, I can easily see how the community could expand after the release of a Creatures game for the iPad or even iPod Touch.
However, I would be more concerned with the game being too much for either of those devices to handle. Therefore, the iPad/iPod Touch version would have to be seriously "dumbed down." It would go from what it is now to "Hey, look at this app." I think that a lot of the magic that comes with Creatures would be lost, and it would become nothing more than another Tamagotchi rip-off.
"Through the darkness of future past,
The magician longs to see
One chance out between two worlds:
Fire, walk with me." |

Gumbo
    
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1/28/2011 | |
nononononono
please no.
First off, i completely agree with Pyromaniac605
This ipad game would ruin the entire mechancs of creatures.
No right clicking
No typing, unless w/ an ingame keyboard which would be just as bad
Again, major dumbing-down
Aplle potentially owning creatures? this means NO 3rd-party agents (only kinda, im semi-serious)
AND...
essentially a really cool virtual et sim.
And on ps3?
Have you seen the attempts at creature ps games? decent, but nothing comparedwith creatures.
@althalus, what pc are you on? my old one had c1, c2, and c3 on at the same time and only had minor lag. And im planning on putting all 4 on my new pc. And voice recognition?!!? Please, imagine, for a moment, sitting in your living room with your ps3, repeatedly yelling at it "eat food. No, eat food! EAT FOOD @#$#@$! ok. now push lift!!! No, PUSH LIFT!!! RUN GRENDEL!! AAH!!" And not like shooters, where you only yell in moments of intense action. In creatures, you yell constantly. You would be yelled at constantly by neighbors.
Also, while a new creatures game would be a good thing and extremely miraculous thing, it will not happen. Unless it's an edynn child. But no new official games.
And in a way that's a good thing, because the creatures community as it is now has been through a lot, mainly feeding off of nostalgia. I love this little gem, fueled by past dreams. May sound cheesey, but true.
in the spring you gotta let the flowers fully blossom
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Ghosthande
    

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1/28/2011 | |
You would be yelled at constantly by neighbors.
Mine would probably call the local asylum.
"We've got a girl in here... she keeps screaming gibberish at her TV screen... something about 'eem bibble' and 'flib dat'... we think she's nuts. Someone please come get her, she's scaring us."
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Mousienorn
  
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1/31/2011 | |
I agree with gumbo when he says that it would ruin the entire mechancs of creatures. Unless you make a Creatures Village type game witch we all know is WAY too boring! Click the magical machein and YAY your creature is cured. Push the basket ball into the hoop. YAY you got it in! 
don't worry Pyromaniac605! None taken!
Nornz Rule! "I'm always watching you. "
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Pyromaniac605
 
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2/1/2011 | |
"Creatures Village type game witch we all know is WAY too boring!" - Mousienorn
D:< HOW DARE YOU!? (Just joking, no offense intended)
Albia Volcanis -Updated 23/2 |
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