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Organizing the DNA file   
peobs

peobs



  2/9/2024

Hi,
I've been working on a Project to get the DNA file a bit sorted - for example I moved all the Creature appearance up to and below the DNA header > Head, Arms, Body, Legs and tail - below I moved the complete brain Organ. And so on.
I moved the Pigment and Poses all the way to the end.

I noticed, moving the Stimulus up to group that involved eating was fine until I touched the Eating Animal and Detritus , moving those two breaks the short term digestive system. Hunger for Starch, Fat and Protein kept moving up even though the Norn was eating until it died. Not only moving but also selecting the Do not express selector or changing the Mutability number had the same effect.
Not sure why this would happen.
Well I just have to leave those two in place I guess.

 
Vermidia

Vermidia



  2/9/2024

Moving stimulus genes won't change anything in vanillas - they aren't organ dependent.

The reason genes are spread out is due to how inheritance works, random sections of 10-100 genes are given from each parent to the kid. The way the same genes are connected by the ends is what causes sliders in colortrue x vanilla crosses.

If the appearance genes are all in the same place (especially under the header where it's guaranteed the first 10 genes will all be from the same parent) they'll always inherit a single parents appearance and won't mix.

If you moved any reactions/receptors/emitters/organs that's what probably actually broke something, since those have to be under an organ.

Fun Fact: Genetics kit can sort by organ type by clicking the type heading! You can do this for the other headings too.

Edit: more detail on crossing things, fun fact


You know...wait...nevermind... wait...no...umm...maybe later...
 
peobs

peobs



  2/9/2024

Thank you,
I'm running a version of Creatures in WinSkin on my Mac lol - have a old windows laptop but I hate it.
I haven't moved any other Organs around and only those two stim I mentioned did break something. I use LiveGMS for Gene editing which is an online tool plus a Hex editor.
Thanks for you help
Cheers

 
Vermidia

Vermidia



  2/9/2024

I don't have the file so I wouldn't know, but it is possible you broke a gene header somewhere when moving a gene in the hex editor maybe? That would render the gene copied over broken.

A lot of things could've happened but I wouldn't be able to tell you exactly what went wrong.


You know...wait...nevermind... wait...no...umm...maybe later...
 
Dragoler
Wrong Banshee

Dragoler


 visit Dragoler's website: TWB Development Thread
  2/9/2024  1

This is how you make a genome that is incompatible with everything.

Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base.

 
Papriko
Peppery One

Papriko



  2/10/2024  1

Can't blame the idea, though. The typical genome file does look like a hot mess when you first open it.

Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis...
 
Dragoler
Wrong Banshee

Dragoler


 visit Dragoler's website: TWB Development Thread
  2/10/2024  1

The irony is for the best inheritance they should be more of a hot mess than they are! Specifically, the pigment genes should have been spread around, and to a lesser extent the instinct and stimuli genes as well.

Everything else should stay in its organ and in its order though. Do not try to organise the genes inside organs into their types. Many reaction genes are mediated by receptors and gene order matters for this!


Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base.

 
peobs

peobs



  2/10/2024

Thanks for all the feedback -
Just to clarify - simply by changing the parameters of those two genes (not moving them) breaks something! So far those are the only two genes that do that.
Eaten animal and Eaten detritus produce the problem.

I get the inheritance and what not - not really that interested in watching the colours change over time -

I'm more interested to figure out how to modify the Neuronal network and behaviours of the Norns.

I'm using the CFF Genetics that have been updated.

 
cyborg

cyborg



  2/12/2024

I'm more interested to figure out how to modify the Neuronal network and behaviours of the Norns.



So what exactly do you want the norns to do?

 
peobs

peobs



  2/12/2024

So what exactly do you want the norns to do?



Hi, not sure how to answer that lol - it's not so much of what I want them to do, but rather to see what could emerge from a modified Neuronal network. If that makes sense.

 
cyborg

cyborg



  2/13/2024  1

Some wiki articles you might like:

Canny Norns.
Nova Subterra.
Creatures Full of Edits, then its successor: Creatures Full of Fixes.
Duotract.

 
peobs

peobs



  2/13/2024

Thank you so much - I'll have a read!






cyborg wrote:
Some wiki articles you might like:

Canny Norns.
Nova Subterra.
Creatures Full of Edits, then its successor: Creatures Full of Fixes.
Duotract.


 


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