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 Corbane   |
After like 150 hours, I decided to give the TWB genome and the Winter Norn a try. So I got the Other Lone Shee Ark metaroom and installed a Hircine Norn in the lower left Section and a Winter Norn in the upper right section. It took about a minute for my Winter Norn to get 50 units of cold in the Medical Monitor and for my Hircine Norn to get 80 units of hot. That's dangerous. So I placed the HN in the desert just above the furnace and the WN in the lake just below. The HN got to normal and the WN stayed too cold. I wanted to see if the problem was those two breeds specifically, so I put a 2017 edition Magma Norn in the furnace area. It got to 100 units of hot in a minute. (Links to visuals if it helps:1,2,3.) So that got me wondering, how much is too much? Like, I've lost Magma Norns and Sphinx Norns to overheating before. (I wasn't using the MN TWB genome though.) How hot is too hot for a TWB genome and how cold is too cold for a Winter Norn? P.S.: In case it's necessary info, for relevent mods I have the weather patch (non-TWB edition), Heat transfer in water, the heater, the heat-lamp and the sensory input lobe installed. |
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 Wrong Banshee Dragoler  |
I'm confused by this post, because the only breed you've mentioned here that uses the TWB genome are the Hircine norns, Winter Norns appear to be CFE. TWB/TCB creatures are the only ones that can feel environmental temperature, so the cold you're seeing is coming from somewhere else. Hotness and coldness aren't really problems in themselves, they are drives that can indicate and compound problems. For TWBs, I'd recommend using the Heatlamp agent with heating switched off to check the temperature of rooms (between 4 and 6 is comfortable, extreme temperatures on either end can be dangerous) and the All in One Status Menu is a good way to check vitals. If no internal temperature is showing up on the left side, the creature you're looking at isn't TWB or TCB. Once you have everything set up correctly, Visual Indicators becomes a more intuitive way to keep track of how a group of creatures are doing in their environment. Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base.  |
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Wrong Banshee Dragoler |
Other creatures have hotness and coldness scattered throughout their stimuli genes. For Magma norns, they mostly feel hot when they reach the ettin home (an invisible object they detect through smell), and for Frost/Winter norns (which are basically inverted magma norns) they feel cold once they reach the norn home. Being hot and cold respectively is good for their immune systems, but being hot for too long can deplete water and lead to suffocation. Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base. |
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Corbane |
Thank you for your help  To clarify, I'm accustumed to using Medical Monitor 1.5. (I also occasionally use All in One Menu). That monitor shows only what's a problem. For an example, if my creature is hungry for fat, my creatures will express being hungry way before the monitor does. When it does, it will say '' Alice hungry for fat 80'' ). Occasionally, with non-TWB genomes, I would get a message about a creature being too hot or too cold with a number next to that information. For an example, I would often get my Magma Norns complaining verbally about being cold with the monitor showing ''cold 30''. It took me hours to figure out what to do about it, because outside of TWB related posts, there was very little info about weather or temperature affecting creatures.After some trial and error, I figure placing the Norn next to the volcano helps or that giving it some Soothing Herbal Tea heats it up a notch. I however lost multiple norns to dehydratation and asphyxiation when I let the heat get too high. On the Monitor, the problem starts at heat 60. So when my TWB genome norn (the Hircine) started expressing being very hot with the monitor saying ''hot 80'' I got scared I was scared it would die because of my experience with non-TWB creatures. So I stopped playing and immidiately asked at what point I should worry. Now I played for an hour or two after reading your post and my Winter Norn is doing fine (but stops moving or doing anything when the cold reaches like 50-60 units on the monitor) and while I was checking over another room, my Hircine Norn died of lack of ATP. |
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Wrong Banshee Dragoler |
The updated Medical Monitor I've noticed is a bit too sensitive; it often gives me low ATP warnings for perfectly healthy norns, so I tend to ignore most of its alerts. Do you use the Autopsy Report agent? I think magma norns being susceptible to dehydration death was probably an oversight in the original genome, and not considered a big deal because they were meant to go to the desert every so often and then leave. Standard norns only get water through respiration - they use up water breathing in, and get it back upon breathing out. When I was working on TWB, it became apparent that water as a resource needed more careful management, so the genome is actually better at dealing with dehydration than standard norns; they also get water from their food, and when it drops dangerously low, they start eating whatever is around to raise it back up again. Also I checked the winter norn genome and doing nothing makes them cold, so maybe you actually have cause and effect the wrong way around? Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base. |
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 Varia |
This post makes me curious because I wanted to make a new world with Winter norns, Yettins and Glacier Ettins. I wanted to try this in Chione. When I read about TWB I wondered what it would take to make TWB creatures that really prefer the cold. Are there any? |
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Wrong Banshee Dragoler |
The TWB version of the Dream Norns were designed to work well in the cold, they just need to have enough body fat to tolerate it. To make norns that prefer the cold you'd need to adjust the detect warm air receptor down a bit, so they start to feel hot in cooler air. Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base. |
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Varia |
Ok I'll start with the Dream norns and go from there thanks! |
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