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 Tea Queen Laura    |
So, in terms of this new patch plant I'm working on (an edible aubergine), I'm currently thinking of also making its detritus beneficial to any toxic breeds if they eat it. Perhaps even critters and insects could enjoy it too? Is this possible to implement, while ensuring that non-toxic creatures don't eat the detritus, and what other specific things can toxic breeds benefit from? Thank you.  |
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 Lollipop Lord C-Rex |
In regards to non-toxic creatures eating the detritus, I wouldn't worry as they usually avoid eating it anyway. I'm not sure what other specific things you could add though apart from chemicals such as gyloctoxin or cyanide. |
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Tea Queen Laura |
Thanks for that info, C-Rex; that's good to know. As far as the chemicals go, I'm guessing I'd only add either one or the another, not both? Also, does anyone know where I could find the code to make the detritus attractive to pests and bugs? |
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 Peppery One Papriko |
For chemicals you can do whatever you want. Inject none, inject 1, inject 5, inject 20... It's up to you and how many CHEM lines you are willing to add. Poisons are for Toxic creatures pretty much like medicine to others. You have to decide if you want some detritus with mild curing effect or some omnipotent overkill, such as DS lemons for non-toxics. For the pest-attracting part I can not think of a practical example right now, but in theory you can just get some object which already does and tear it apart. Looking at a pest or two might help as well to figure out the criterias they use to find their preferred meal. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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 Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
Yes, you can inject an unlimited number of chemicals. As far as pests and bugs are concerned... I'm not aware of any agent that "attracts" another agent into doing something. Generally the pest or bug has its own code which tells it to seek out flowers, detritus, etc. As long as your agent is classified as detritus, any pest or bug that is attracted to detritus will automatically consider your agent a food source. The way people usually make fruit turn into detritus is by "swapping out" the fruit for a detritus agent with the rotten fruit sprite. This is basically the same as the kind of code you use when you make a dispenser; you just wait for the part where you'd normally change the sprite to a "rotting" sprite, but instead you make it create the detritus, move it to the fruit's location, then kill the fruit. If you use INST, it all happens instantaneously.  |
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Tea Queen Laura |
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Peppery One Papriko |
I had suggested an OV variable to remember if it is rotten or not, a CATO and some DOIFs, but I guess that'd be too complicated at this point. Juts go for the second agent. Then you can change the F1-right-click description as well. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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 Sanely Insane RisenAngel Manager |
Detritus has a separate eat stim (number 81 in CAOs terms) from other food items. Normal creatures getting stimmed with it get pain and glycotoxin. If you use that stim, your detritus will be non palatable to normal creatures but delicious to toxic creatures, with the added bonus that it won't harm creatures who can eat detritus but are otherwise normal (like the Alien Norns). Risen Angel's Creatures Blog |
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Tea Queen Laura |
Would someone mind writing me up an example script of everything that's been mentioned so far and posting it here, please? My CAOS skills still aren't up to much, and I'm finding all of this very difficult to visualise in my head. Thank you so all the information so far though; this is gold. |
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 Malkin Manager |
If you just want to make a general detritus item, then using the eat script to give stimulus 81 (eaten detritus) is the way to go. The genome of each norn will do the rest - it'll automatically be nutritious for Toxic Norns without you needing to inject any other chemicals. AquaShee explains why using stims is more appropriate than using chemical injections here. One of the key points in making it worthwhile for Toxic Norns and detritivore critters/bugs/pests is making it persist long enough in the world for it to be useful for them to hunt. If you're designing it as a food source for Toxics and detritivores, then make it last as long as a foodstuff before decaying. To sum up - you've made food before, this is just another kind of food, which uses stim 81 (eat detritus) instead of the more familiar 77 (eat seed), 78 (eat fruit) and 79 (eat food). You can adapt any of your eat scripts that you've made before for foods as example code for your new detritus agent. My TCR Norns |
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Tea Queen Laura |
Hello again, guys. Here's the code I've written so far:
1. The aubergines won't fall off the patch once they're fully grown; what am I missing?  2. I'm not sure how to expand on my detritus script:
My plan is to take on Ghosthande's suggestion by 'swapping out' the aubergine (food) for a detritus agent with the two rotting food sprites - full (frame 8 ) and half-eaten (frame 9) - you can see I've started it, but now I don't know how to continue writing it. EDIT: If it helps any, here's the C16 file: aub1.c16 Any help would be appreciated, though I'd be grateful for simplified explanations where possible; I'm still very much a beginner and can find some of the complexities difficult to grasp! Thank you. |
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Peppery One Papriko |
1. Better use POSL (leftmost corner) and POST (topmost corner) instead of POSX and POSY (center positions). Agents always appear with their top-leftmost corner at the new position, so you also should use the top-leftmost position of the aubergine, otherwise your detritus may be a little offset. 2. After your detritus successfully has been moved, you should KILL OWNR to get rid of the original fruit. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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Malkin Manager |
Hi Laura, You're going really well, I'm looking forward to seeing this agent! I think that your vend script for the uneaten aubegerine turning into an uneaten detritus aubegerine needs to be in the timer script for the aubergine because it's 'stepping' from being a full, ripe, fruit, to being a detritus without interaction. At the moment, the detritus vend code isn't in any script, so it will cause errors. So I guess... when it's getting ready to change to looking like detritus, you set the location (using posx & posy or posl & post), then you kill the original fruit, and replace it with a detritus agent, in the same location, using your vend code. When you do that, you'll also need to create a timer script for your new detritus agent which steps it through to rotting completely away, and an eat script for your detritus. I know it all sounds clear as mud at the moment, but don't despair! somewhere in the timer script for the aubergerine there should be a check, something like:
you'll notice that I put an INST in front of the creation code for the detritus - because you want the creation of your new item to happen instantaneously. There are a few complicated things that need to happen when you make a new item, and it's best to do them in one tick, so that nothing goes wrong. Best of luck with working all this out! My TCR Norns |
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Tea Queen Laura |
So... I've used 'stim writ from 81', that's present in my code, but I want to inject some chemicals too, so that when toxic breeds devour my aubergine detritus it has a mild curing effect. Which chemicals are the best to use for this purpose, and how would the code look, please? |
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Peppery One Papriko |
Well, I would get a distance to ATP-Decoupler, Cyanide and those. Even in small amounts they usually are rather lethal to non-toxics. Glycotoxine might be worth a thought. It is neat for toxics and not that fatal for others. The code itself is simple. Just use the goold old chem line you already know. All you have to do is finding out the IDs of the chemicals you want. Those can be given to you by someone who is a bit more into biochemistry. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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Malkin Manager |
What kind of curing effect are you after? Vitamin C and Prostaglandin will cure any creature that they are given to (even creatures who eat the detritus by mistake). I've made some rough notes on the Toxic Norn genome here, I hope they help. My TCR Norns |
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