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 Ettina  |
How hard would it be to make an agent that says it is feeling a certain drive in order to get norns to give it advice (eg 'maybe push toy weirdmachine')? It would be useful for testing what norns know about different drives. Particularly in those genetic breeds that lack some or all of the normal instincts, and therefore learn how to reduce each drive from experience. By the way, I don't care if anyone steals my ideas for their own work, as long as you don't try to stop me from making my own stuff. Many ideas I mention are things I don't have the time or skill to actually do. |
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 Malkin Manager  |
The first step would be to find out how the norns give advice when they hear someone in need of aid... My TCR Norns |
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 Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
Perhaps the first, first step would be to see how Norns perceive expressions from other creatures? I've seen Norns give advice to the hand at times, so clearly somehow it isn't limited to what they hear other Creatures say. I know there are "heard other Creature speak" and "heard pointer speak" stimuli, so perhaps they are involved...?  |
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Ettina |
"I've seen Norns give advice to the hand at times, so clearly somehow it isn't limited to what they hear other Creatures say." I've never seen that. I tried claiming I was cold to my wolfling run guys just now (who like playing with the teaching machine), and even though they were continuously advising everyone else on crowdedness and H4C, all they did for me was repeat my name. By the way, I don't care if anyone steals my ideas for their own work, as long as you don't try to stop me from making my own stuff. Many ideas I mention are things I don't have the time or skill to actually do. |
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Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
Yes, I've seen it several times. They just don't do it reliably, which is odd. You can't count on them to reply to you the way they always do for other Norns--for the hand they reply maybe one out of every 6-8 times, or even less. |
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 Peppery One Papriko |
I have a little complicated idea, but it might work. Why don't you create a creature (I'd recommend an immortal slider with working brain) and push up the drive you wanna check? Afterwards you use URGE WRIT or a similar command to force your slider to express. The creature you wanna check hears it and replies. Of course this is pretty inefficient and perhaps even cruel in some way, but it should work. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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 Amaikokonut |
^ That's pretty much what I do when checking how instinctless norns have learned. Only I don't use a slider, I just grab a random creature from the herd. It's pretty effective. I've never had any luck getting them to respond to the hand. It would be a lot simpler if that was the case.  [Naturing :: Nurturing] |
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Ettina |
I've decided to go with the slider. If anyone else is interested, the genome I'm using is available here: https://sites.google.com/site/ettinalabs/random-creations/talkative-statue-norns And I was planning to use this to test instinctless guys. My idea is to get eggernator to make a bunch of normal instinctless and CFE instinctless norns, I handraise each one until a certain age, and then I test what they've learnt about each drive. I won't be able to tell the CFE and normal ones apart until, after their test, I'll take a look at each norn's brain. That way my expectations won't change the result. By the way, I don't care if anyone steals my ideas for their own work, as long as you don't try to stop me from making my own stuff. Many ideas I mention are things I don't have the time or skill to actually do. |
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