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General Forum Experimenting with norns (hmmm...)    NoxTheNorn   6/15/2013 Like so many in the Creatures community, I've been frustrated by the great difficulty that young norns -- even CFE norns -- seem to have when it comes to learning from their elders instead of relying on artificial means such as the HLM. After all, isn't that part of the idea of Creatures -- that the next generation should be able to learn things from the previous one? As an experiment, I decided to rear a group of CFE norns in isolation from the HLM to see if their children could learn anything from them. I set up a DS standalone world with a room which seems to be cut off from the Capillata (I used Veridia, since I haven't yet figured out how that room connects to the larger whole) and stocked it with what seemed to be a decent amount of food and toys. I chose about eight CFE eggs, four male and four female, from breeds which possess what I consider to be beneficial traits -- a Hardman for strength, a Tilynn for longevity, a ChiChi and a Bondi for disposition, and four others (Apple, Fallow, Harlequin, and Siamese) for appearance and variety. I used the Inventory Drawer to ferry each egg to the new room before it could hatch. I then used the Vocabulizer add-on to instantly give each hatchling a complete vocabulary and spent some time positively reinforcing them for eating and playing properly. At that point, I more or less turned them loose to see what would happen. At least so far, the experiment appears to have been a decent success. I set the game parameters so that some of the eggs the original eight produced would hatch (Veridia offers quite a bit of space for norns to run around in) -- and I'm happy to say that not only are the original eight still alive and thriving, the six offspring which have hatched are also doing well. Not only are all of them usually playing and feeding themselves to the point that they're staying content, they've also managed to learn most of their vocabulary from their elders without intervention on my part. The only point on which the offspring are having trouble is that none of them seem to have grasped any of the words which deal with abstract concepts such as emotion -- anger, boredom, fear, etc.. An interesting and promising result, wouldn't you say?   Bifrost   6/15/2013 Wow. That IS interesting. You're setting it up as a semi-wolfling run? It would be every interesting to see how future generations manage as well, so keep us updated, will you (if you keep this running, which I hope you will)?   magpie-angel     6/15/2013 i had always wondered about this so i'm glad somebody has done it. please do keep us updated also i'll be interestd to hear if you have any problems with the tilynn offspring as i normally do   Puddini   6/15/2013 You're getting me interested in doing this too! What are Tilynns, by the way?   magpie-angel     6/15/2013 tilynn norn there you go puddini   NoxTheNorn   6/15/2013 What kind of problems have you usually had with Tilynn Norns, MA? I've had problems with first-generation Tilynn Norns either succumbing to the dreaded Eat Door/Eat Elevator Syndrome or else "forgetting" to eat seeds and eventually dying of malnutrition (and brother, do those suckers ever take a loooooooooong time to die!) However, I'm pleased to report that Atlas (my first-generation Tilynn Norn) seems to have sorted himself out after experiencing some initial problems with "forgetting" to eat seeds. He still forgets from time to time, but will remember to eat if I prompt him. These were my original selections: Atlas (male Tilynn) Blondin (male Harlequin) Bluey (male Bondi) Charo (female ChiChi) Pinky (female Apple) Rai (male Siamese) Willow (female Fallow) Zuleika (female Hardman) These are the six offspring thus far: Buck (Blondin + Willow) Emmet (Blondin + Charo) Matilda (Bluey + Charo) McIntosh (Blondin + Pinky) Pippin (Blondin + Pinky) Theseus (Blondin + Zuleika) As you can see, Blondin was *really* busy! I've also got quite a lot of eggs waiting to hatch...so as the originals eventually grow old and die off (some of them are already in the elderly stage), I have a crop of new youngsters to look forward to.   magpie-angel     6/15/2013 the offspring from any tilynn norn i had would get stuck in the baby lifestage and never age which is a shame because they are such a pretty breed. i think i had a problem with them eating as well

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