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General Forum Breeds that just don't seem to mix well    NoxTheNorn   8/4/2012 For the second time running, I've hatched a C3/DS baby that's the offspring of a Fire-ChiChi couple -- and the baby is constantly complaining of a problem that ranks 7 out of 10 in severity which nothing seems to fix. The first one was a male Norn with a ChiChi father and a Fire mother, and he was always complaining about being hot. I thought this might be some peculiar quirk stemming from the fact that one of his parents was a Fire Norn (even though I'm not aware of them being particularly resistant to heat like Magma Norns) but nothing seemed to cool him down. I tried moving him to different parts of the Capillata and even injected a sprinkler agent with the thought it might make him more comfortable...but nothing seemed to help. That seemed to be his only real problem, however, and he survived into old age. The second is the complete opposite -- a female Norn with a Fire father and a ChiChi mother -- but she has a similar complaint because she's scared all the time (a Norn with Generalized Anxiety Disorder...who knew?) and nothing seems to help her either. Then again, that seems to be her only problem thus far. It simply seems a little odd that both babies should have a long-lasting (and apparently genetic) problem given that they were in no way related to each other even though they share a similar ancestry...they weren't even in the same game.   Prodigal Sock Ghosthande     8/4/2012 Scared all the time... how adorably sad. It could have something to do with Fire Norn genes in general. Maybe there's something squirrelly about how their genome works that tends to give hybrids weird quirks. I don't have them though, so I've never looked into it personally. Having a descendant that's too *hot* all the time is a bit weird, though.   Sanely Insane RisenAngel Manager     8/4/2012 I took a look at the fire norn genome, and as it turns out they have a gene that generates heat (and light smell, for some reason) from nothing. I'm assuming your first norn got that gene without all the other fire norn adaptations (especially their resistance to heat), hence why he's hot all the time. In addition, they have a gene that generates fear and comfort (homesickness) from nothing. I'm assuming it has a corresponding receptor that controls it and only lets it work at certain times - Fire norns are meant to be hydrophobic, so I'm guessing that gene's part of the system. As with the first norn, the second one must have gotten that gene without the corresponding receptor (or possibly a malfunctioning receptor - the fire norns use several unused chemicals), with the result that the gene is turned on all the time. TL;DR: Yes, fire norns do not mix well with other creatures, apparently. ~ The Realm ~ Risen Angel's Creatures Blog   mip     8/6/2012 NoxTheNorn, if you don't mind it would be great if you could upload the .gen files of these two norns so we can have a look at their genetics! What Grendel Man has said sounds right on the money but it's always worth having a look at the mutations and seeing exactly where the problems (and benefits!) are coming from. As for breeds that don't mix well, any breed with a non-standard digestive system will have a hard time mixing with other breeds. For instance, breeding a Toxic norn with any of the other official C3/DS breeds will often cause tragic results because there are a number of genes involves with the digestive system and all it takes is one mismatch and you get norns eating things that will kill them. Exploring the Ark A journal for C3/DS - updated last: 5 May 2013   Ettina   8/11/2012 Not to mention that since standard norns have initial concentrations of antibodies and toxics have initial concentration of antigens, they may be poisoned at birth without eating anything at all. Norns that don't cross well are a bit of a fascination of mine, because they're closer to the biological definition of 'different species' than changing the genus gene is. By the way, I don't care if anyone steals my ideas for their own work, as long as you don't try to stop me from making my own stuff. Many ideas I mention are things I don't have the time or skill to actually do.   Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager   8/12/2012 For an extreme example of breeds that don't mix well, the 3 "subspecies" of C2 Norn; Canny, Novva Subterra and regular, is a good example. There are also some pretty big incompatibilities even within these groups.   Lollipop Lord C-Rex     8/13/2012 I've found that interbreeding Cave Norns and Sabertooth Norns isn't too good, as most of the offspring are born with disabilities, not to mention how large the Cave Norn body parts get when they reach adulthood.   Ettina   8/16/2012 I made Kannova Norns, which are Canny plus Nova Subterra. They could breed well with both Canny and Nova Subterra norns. They're available on my website: https://sites.google.com/site/ettinalabs/random-creations/kannova-norns By the way, I don't care if anyone steals my ideas for their own work, as long as you don't try to stop me from making my own stuff. Many ideas I mention are things I don't have the time or skill to actually do.   NoxTheNorn   9/7/2012 Here is where anyone who'd like to have a closer look at Becky the Nervous Norn can download her. If you discover something particularly interesting about her, please feel free to share.

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