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 Malkin   Manager  |
In the third screenshot on the Bigben site, there is a window called "Norn Stats" - which at first I took to be some kind of Owner's Kit. Looking more closely at it, it seems to have "Available Points" up in the top right hand corner... and two 'choose a skill' slots beneath the norn's 'photo' (which I think will move)... and the skills themselves seem to be represented on the right of that... I see a green leaf (affinity for nature?), two red round objects (boxing gloves? some kind of fighting skill?) two orange, vaguely norn shaped objects (social skills?) three round blue things (eggs? fertility?) and a lightbulb (intelligence, it must be!). Not sure what the blue bar at the top means. Does anyone else have any ideas about that screenshot, or what the skills could mean, and how this could impact on the game? My TCR Norns |
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 Wiimeiser |
Maybe like lifetime aspiration bonuses in The Sims 3, which gives you extra items, permanent bonuses (no need of the bathroom, for one!), and the ability to change traits. Hashikin ko Tyni Kong Taria Haju'Rumia'an Klodz'Proddi. Terdish oxen saur yessi atai Kongo Dolpik! |
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 Bifrost |
Wouldn't adding skills like that go completely against the concepts of breeding and trying to raise skills through selective breeding etc.? And what about wolfling runs? Would your norns lack a lot of skills (skills they should really have inherited genetically) because you weren't there to hand them out? I hope it's something else. |
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Malkin Manager |
Perhaps they'll be heritable in a Lamarckian fashion? Will norns tend to dislike each other based on these skills? My TCR Norns |
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 Lollipop Lord C-Rex |
Perhaps its skills that they're born with? I hope so, I'd hate the idea of Norns earning skills. |
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 Feddlefew |
Looking closely at the screenshot, it seems that the skills have variable max values, suggesting a genetic component. The skills also seem to be physical attributes- I see strength (weight), charisma (two norns facing each other), and intelligence (light bulb). The other two could be speed (it looks like the second one from the bottom is a bunch of blue arrows) and endurance. The majority of Fishing Cactus arn't native speakers, so some of the translations in early screenshots could be... off. |
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 Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
I hope they're genetic. If they are, this will actually be really cool. |
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 Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
They did say breeding special Norns was one of the goal types, right? Maybe these skills have something to do with that. The blue icon really doesn't look round to me, though... if you right-click and zoom in, they have definite angular shapes, and look rather like blocks. Or something. It's hard to tell at that resolution. Maybe speech bubbles?  |
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Malkin Manager |
Perhaps it's a graphical way of showing how a norn has inherited various traits? My TCR Norns |
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Bifrost |
Sounds more plausible. But can norn intelligence be measured? Doesn't it depend on how lobes and neurons interact? |
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Feddlefew |
It could be a measurement of how quickly they learn, or how long they remember things. |
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 AthenaTrixl |
I wouldn't be too keen on a knowledge bar if it's supposed to encapsulate the entirety of what all norns have the capacity to learn. I could see that (potentially) taking away a lot of enjoyment out of teaching norns. If that's the way of it, I can see it becoming a target that we all hope our norns will, by default, or through tweaking, have their knowledge at 100%. If it's notoriously difficult to obtain 100%, it would be much better; but if it's relatively easy, I think it could become very annoying or tiresome very quickly. If it means knowledge as in all the words learnt - simply referring to vocab - it may be a valuable and enjoyable tool. At this point, I'm leaning on it referring to vocabulary. |
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 Caves Dweller Rascii Administrator |
Hmm. That does remind me of The Sims. I think it could be interesting if the norns can 'learn' skills throughout their lives, or if we could 'teach' them how to do things, but I don't necessarily like the idea of just divvying up skills to them like when creating a Sim. Hmm. - Rascii |
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AthenaTrixl |
Agreed Rascii. The differentiating beauty of the Creatures games (to the Sims for example), to me at least, has been that sense of infinity (even if technically, the possibilities weren't actually infinite), nature, exploration... It felt like there were no boundaries because any possible actual boundaries weren't really outlined. I really liked that feeling. It gave great incentive to explore and continue playing. Having said this though, I have been growing ever more convinced that yes, whilst playing C4 will be a very different experience to the previous Creatures games, it will have merits of it's own that I am sure I will enjoy very much. |
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 Lodestar Doringo |
There should be skills, but I think they shouldn't be selectable like that and instead they would get skills from doing related things. They might be perks however. |
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Malkin Manager |
So, from the bigger update, we have the following: Fishing Cactus Blog wrote: The tenses are a little odd, but 'Stats' seem to have been depreciated as unworkable, at least for now. They were sort-of Lamarckian, though.  My TCR Norns |
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Feddlefew |
I think the odd tenses stem from FC not being run by native English speakers. I have a friend from Belgium and they sometimes have problems with words and phrases, and they've been speaking English for years. Case in point: I am not certain if Andrea caught the sarcasm in the second comment on the latest news update. 8^( |
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Malkin Manager |
Ah well, I've expressed that I'm not keen on the stats system, and Andrea Di Stefano said that they're not pursuing the stats at the moment, so hopefully it won't be in the final game.  My TCR Norns |
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