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If Norns were real, what do you suppose they would feel and smell like? Also, what would be society's reaction to them? Would we take advantage of their tea-serving habits and make them our slaves, keep them as pets, or farm them for their meat? Discuss your opinions below.  |
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 Officer-1BDI |
In all of the stories I've plotted where norns, et. al. were "real" in the universe I've always made it a habit to keep their existance under wraps, because I honestly believe if they were real that humans would exploit the hell out of them. Not that the Shee didn't, to some extent (*cough*ettins*cough*), but still. I see it going a few ways, depending on how humanity's feeling at the time: we either try to exterminate them (fear of the unknown, etc.), study and/or experiment on them, or incorporate them into our daily lives. If we don't see them as pets, we'd probably use them for food and clothing (and who knows what else). I'm not sure what they'd taste like, but there'd probably be a lot more dark meat on them than, say, a chicken because of how mobile they are. As for all the sensory details; I've always seen the norns to be completely covered in fur, even the breeds where that isn't apparent (i.e., Banana, Hebe, etc.). The texture and length of the fur would depend on the breed, but generally if it looks soft and fluffy it probably feels soft and fluffy. Ettins would also be furry, but grendels... I actually see them with more "leathery" skin than scaly skin, though this also largely depends on the breed in question (I imagine Banshee grendels to feel more scaly than Classic grendels, for instance). I've never really thought about what they all would smell like, though. Grendels have been described as having a "musky" stench, but I'm not sure if that's because they actually emit it or if it's due to their usual environment. You have to be honest with yourself when you are writing. If that leads to somewhere unexpected then perhaps you really needed to go there. -- Jim Adkins |
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 Malkin Manager |
I imagine Grendels to smell like male rats. XD My TCR Norns |
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 Shodex |
Norns would probably be fuzzy and smelly. Much like a barnyard animal. Norns seem to have trouble with hygiene. I imagine they'd smell like half eaten rotten cheese. |
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 Moe |
I think they'd become pets...insanely popular pets. But...Human Nature can be quite dark...I can easily imagine all the travesties of the pet market being inflicted upon Norns, like forced breeding, animal abuse, "dog" fights... And yes, their ability to grasp basic human language and concepts might open them up to forced servitude. Furthermore, being something like furry perpetual 3-year-olds, I can even imagine domestic abuse. And sadly, even sexual abuse. I don't really see them becoming food though...not any more popular than dogs or cats would be in some backwater foreign countries. I'm supposing their life spans would be longer than in the game, maybe something like a dog or cat's, but I'd prefer much, much longer... And they'd probably be about 2-3 ft tall comparing the size of the Hand to a Norn. I agree with Officer in terms of their texture. Smell is kind of irrelevant. Most things have rather mild odors as long as you bathe them well and often, and those things with strong odors like ferrets usually have a gland you can remove. For me though, a lover of Norns and furry creatures, it would be AWESOME. I'd feel bad for the dog and cat market though...but I suppose my Norn would need a pet... |
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 Julia |
They problem smell and feel different depending on their breed. I see them as companions.  |
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 Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
Mm, slider meat. I can't imagine Norns attending to their personal hygiene very well, and so they probably wouldn't smell that pleasant. Ettins might be a more adept at grooming, and I imagine Grendels being pretty clean, despite their odor being described as "stench" rather than "smell". I can also see Grendels grooming one another in a fashion similar to primates. Norns would be covered mostly in fur, but there would be some exposed skin/fine hair in different places depending on the norn e.g. civet norns appear to have a hairless pink belly and extremities. Ettins would basically have human skin with maybe a bit of fur here and there, and a shock of head hair. Grendels of course would be scaly with yellow head hair, spikes, and maybe some facial or back hair  Even though Ettins grow to smaller than Norns, I feel like they should be taller, or maybe just standing upright whereas a norn is prone to crawl. About 5ft at any rate, quite muscular but with a little body fat. Grendels would be the equivalent of about a 6' 300lbs human, but you would have to deal with the hump and perhaps some different body composition.I think Norns and Ettins would be warm-blooded, not sure about Grendels, and all would continue to reproduce in an oviparous fashion. They would be *much* more intelligent as within game, now being fully fledged semi-humanoid organisms. I think normal Ettins and Grendels would have an IQ of 80-140, and Norns would have one of 40-100. Norns might be more adept at verbal communication however, Ettins would be worst at this and would be antisocial except for mating tendencies. Grendels might be extremely violent, but the smarter ones could modulate their tendencies. They would retain their current voice tones and textures, but these would be used to speak phonetically, including the babblings they begin speaking as babies. There would be much debate on the ethical treatment of the creatures and their integration into society, but I can see them eventually used for various purposes, for making meat and clothing, to being used as soldiers and labourers, to skilled work, and other things I'm not sure can be mentioned here.. The dumber ones may be kept as pets also, but even this could be controversial. There would obviously be a lot of political and social considerations, especially depending on how many of them there were and how fast they reproduced.. if integrated fully into society as citizens etc. I can imagine a hot-button debate on whether to allow creature-human marriage |
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Officer-1BDI |
I completely disregarded height. As with Moe, the norns I imagine have always been far shorter than humans. grendels are usually taller, maybe by half a foot at the most, and ettins are slightly shorter. I even started a comparison sketch that... didn't entirely pan out. >_> Though like ylukyun, I also imagine "real" creatures to be more intelligent than their digital counterparts. Though that has more to do with the ease of writing for more intelligent characters than anything else. You have to be honest with yourself when you are writing. If that leads to somewhere unexpected then perhaps you really needed to go there. -- Jim Adkins |
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Moe |
See I don't think hygiene would be a problem... Norns always seemed very clean to me. They even had showers in C1, and even thought there's no "hygiene" meter in the series, I still never saw any indication to say they got dirty, or at least stay, dirty. As for intelligence and linguistics, I always imagined they'd speak their bibble, and while understanding English or another language, they'd only speak interspersed burbles of coherent expression of ideas, concepts, answers, questions, etc. I could never imagine a Norn with a fully developed vocabulary speaking British English, sipping tea, and discussing social or scientific issues. :p I prefer to think of them as intelligent by all means, but with a limited capacity, or more-so limited desire, to speak as we do. As for actual intelligence, I consider them quite smart, with really no limit, but always retaining the childlike pure-minded existence, expression, imagination and inspiration. Like a child. They might learn math, but to use it? They'd rather play. And their only use for advanced knowledge would probably be only insofar as to figure out how to reach, fix, or build a toy. Ettins on the other hand, smart and very social amongst themselves, but not with others. They'd rarely bother to express anything in our languages, but act like little Einsteins, but again, limited by a very self serving "build for the sake of building", or "collect for the sake of collecting", existence. If they are discovered coming from the Creatures Universe, I imagine they'd be much smarter than the average human, even. It would make great story material to have ettins building anti-gravity devices out of microwaves for fun. lol Grendels are Grendels. Tribal, aggressive depending on the species, good capacity for understanding but little desire to do so, and even less desire to interact with humans. Kind of apathetic in a way, and not the hunters they are in C3/DS. They get agitated and disgruntled at Norns, but I don't imagine one pacing around my house looking for a Norn to hit. :p Finding a little lair in some corner of the living-room to be left alone by the Norn...now that I can imagine. And that's about the height I imagined Officer! Great drawing!  |
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 Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
I agree with you, Moe. The fact that Norns have a built-in drive to do as they're told would only make them much easier for people to manipulate, but I can also see animal welfare and animal rights groups going crazy trying to keep them safe. I'd like to say there would be documentation required to keep one, but given how irresponsible many states' laws are when it comes to owning primates or big cats, that probably wouldn't happen. ![:\](/images/smilies/confused.gif ":\") For certain no one would eat them in this country. Maybe in foreign countries where animal welfare isn't a concern (if people can eat apes, that doesn't bode well for the Norn), but their cuteness, anthropomorphic appearance and ability to speak would be a huge turn-off for many people. How do you eat something that reminds you of a two-year-old child, with behavior and mental capacity to match?  |
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 MisterPeaches |
I agree with Ghosthande. Ever hear why lamb isn't popular? XD I'd always imagined Norns to smell like dog. You know, that light scent of dirt. Kind of a refreshing smell, for me anyway. They'd probably feel like a dog, too-soft with soft skin on their bellies and paws. They'd probably reach up to the hips, like 1BDI noted. I'd personally love one as a pet, but I know they'd be manipulated like crazy. Still, they're like babies-hardy babies, depending on the breed. They'd be wildly popular, not to mention their human like emotion AND the ability to speak. It might turn into a chihuahua situation, though-they're adopted without the owners knowing what they're getting into, then get abandoned. Grendels and Ettins would probably be similarly as popular but among different groups. I'd imagine the tough guys who breed reptiles would keep Grendels and those people who like those semi-hairless dogs and ferrets would keep Ettins. Man, that was a long, confusing rant. @_@ with a taste of your lips  i'm on a ride |
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Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
I think Norns would smell furry, but not have a strong scent. Like a cat or rabbit, or a monkey with very good hygiene. I can't imagine the Shee would appreciate anything like "dog smell" from something that serves them tea and cookies. And they'd be soft and fuzzy, like puppies, of course. Grendels would probably be glossy like a snake, but smell more like a primate, or a goat or pig (the animal itself, not its waste--if you've ever smelled a clean pig, they're rather pleasant). |
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 EmergencyTowel |
If they were real, what would they be like? Well, I can imagine keeping some guard grendels. A toxic norn that lives in a garbage chute, ettins to find my missing phone. Yeah, I think most people would incorporate them into their lives, but there would always be abusers of them. But norns are only computer programs, so dont dig too deep into this. In my nerd cave, nobody can hear you scream. Feed my pets: Shroomy and Glow! |
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Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
"But norns are only computer programs, so dont dig too deep into this." How is it digging "too deep"? The whole point of this conversation is what it would be like if they weren't just computer programs. That's kind of the point. 0.o |
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EmergencyTowel |
I'm saying that, well, this is the kind of conversation that when you think about it, proves exactly how messed up people is, when you consider how norns would be mistreated if they were real. It can kinda bother you if you think too much about it. In my nerd cave, nobody can hear you scream. Feed my pets: Shroomy and Glow! |
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 Wiimeiser |
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 Vatrena |
Eh.... my mum already believes that Norns are real, at least in computer and RAM memory. If they would be real, not only in the computer, but real in real life, I think they would have the next characteristics: Height: adults and adolescents between 130 and 160 cm, babies 35-40 cm, kids 100-120 cm Weight: adults and adolescents between 20 and 40 kg, babies 2-3 kg, kids 6-15 kg, Smell: strawberries, apples, lemons, watermelons oranges or flowers (this may sound funny, but I really think that ) Personality: good, not aggressive, peaceful, like little cats or puppies (like Ghosthande said) I'm a hardcore christian first, and a creature breeder second. |
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 Gobbo |
They'd taste most likely like duck billed platypus, being egg laying mammals. More available because they breed in any environment and eat almost anything. Have hard shelled eggs rather than leathery making transportation, storing them easier and gives them more uses. They have a build that is very similar to that of a human, making the protein in their meat almost perfect for human consumption. Their IQ level will be around 30, much like a dog's or that of a 2-year old. |
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 SpringRain |
...I'd be so happy if they were. I love imagining that they are! ^w^ Well, I don't know about everyone else, but I'd keep them as pets/friends/companions, depending on the level of intelligence. I imagine different breeds would look and feel different. The fur on Siamese Norns would be light, silky and velvety soft, just like the Siamese cat, I think. Hmm, I always thought they'd have a nice smell. Like other animals that like living in nature, the smells of dew, grass and earth in their fur. Or with Bondi Norns, the smells of ocean, sand, sunshine and salt. Everything's possible. <3 But I know one thing's for sure - I'd never eat them! I'm back after 11 years. Holy dooley! |
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