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 Patient Pirate ylukyun  Manager |
Am I correct in thinking C3 Creatures have no heart organs? I looked in the list and couldn't find anything of the sort. I knew that they didn't have a "real" heart as such, but I thought that the organ would have been there. |
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 Sanely Insane RisenAngel Manager  |
You are correct in that thought. When I saw this, I figured I'd look at the standard ChiChi genome and see for myself. Turns out, they don't have a heart organ. That was bit of a surprise for me. In my years of genetic editing, I never noticed that. The functions that were carried out by the heart in C2 seemed to have switched to the Mitochondrial Functions organ in C3, so I guess if you wanted to be technical you could call that their heart. Risen Angel's Creatures Blog |
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Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
Thanks for clearing that up  (Edit: Sorry about posting this in the developer section without explanation.  It is my intention to make creatures with a more realistic cardiovascular/circulatory system, I wanted to see if I had a starting point. Posted in the second post as it won't go in the first.) |
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 Malkin Manager |
There's got to be a joke in that somewhere. XD My TCR Norns |
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 Tea Queen Laura |
Sorry, Ylukyun, I did go to move this topic back to the Development forum, but for some reason it won't let me. ![:\](/images/smilies/confused.gif ":\") |
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Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
That's okay, we can all talk about organs or something I guess. I am not sure where a joke might be. Except maybe "norns don't have a heart" as in they don't have kindness for others.. but it's not like norns have enough higher thought for that anyway :p |
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Malkin Manager |
I was thinking, for those oldbies out there, that 'when C3 came, the norns became heartless...' or 'lost their heart' or something in that vein. My TCR Norns |
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Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
Oh I see. Yes I notice people saying the C3/DS norns have no "personality" compared to the others. I don't really think it is the case, they probably get that feeling from the graphics being more.. sterile. |
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Tea Queen Laura |
Ylukyun wrote: |
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Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
Oh okay. Well I don't really have much of an idea yet, but I will post updates as I start and progress on the genome |
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 scoota94 |
I'm doing something similar to that except I'm making Norns with more realistic bodies and behaviors in human terms! See handy norns in dev forum if your curious! But was just saying to let you know that I wasn't copying you lol :p Sounds cool! Maybe you could created a new heart organ for C3 creatures? When I create the handy Norns I'm gonna give them bladders! Don't be worried about who is right, Just follow you heart... |
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 Melody |
Does that mean they would be able to er... go to the bathroom?  |
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Tea Queen Laura |
It's alright to get sidetracked in a discussion a little bit, but let's not get completely off the subject in hand and start hijacking the topic. Any talk or questions about Scoota's 'Handy Norn Breed' project belongs in here: Handy Norn Breed. This topic is about Ylukyun's ideas. |
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 AquaShee |
Does norn biochemistry even need a heart? I mean, the heart pumps blood around the system, and this blood carries nutrients around. But in a Norn, all chemicals are just one big puddle to take from. Unless you make oxygen and nutrients in an "undelivered" state and a "delivered" state with the heart processing this according to a beat. That would work, I think some systems in the Norn already do this. The Community Scribble: make (y)our own metaroom! |
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scoota94 |
Yeh you would have to make something like... Blood1 which would be in the lungs and Blood2 which is in the body ect! basically a lot more chems Don't be worried about who is right, Just follow you heart... |
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Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
I was definitely going to put blood in there. I wasn't sure how to work with the oxygen and I didn't even think about nutrients, but your idea is good. A bladder would be good too. (I thought they already had a bladder but I suppose not! I remember a "piss in the wind" gene :/) I would also like to make some adverse effects on the heart from old age, stress, cholestrol etc. |
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scoota94 |
Hey I took biology so I could give you some info about the heart and stuff if you want Don't be worried about who is right, Just follow you heart... |
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Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
Thanks, but I can probably find the information I need. Feel free to add a heart to your own norns though, I don't mind. |
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scoota94 |
Ok (scraps copyright lawcase  lol)Don't be worried about who is right, Just follow you heart... |
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 Wiimeiser |
This'll need 16-bit counters, unfortunately. Hashikin ko Tyni Kong Taria Haju'Rumia'an Klodz'Proddi. Terdish oxen saur yessi atai Kongo Dolpik! |
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Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
Why does it need 16-bit counters? Can you elaborate? |
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Wiimeiser |
8-bit only allows 256 possibilities. 16-bit allows up to 65536 possibilities. C3DS DOES use 16-bit counters for the most part, but when chemicals anything it's 8-bit. Hashikin ko Tyni Kong Taria Haju'Rumia'an Klodz'Proddi. Terdish oxen saur yessi atai Kongo Dolpik! |
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Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
Yes I know, but why are 65536 possibilities necessary? That's what I can't figure out. :p |
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Wiimeiser |
If you need more than 256 possibilities, then 16-bit support is a requirement. The reason Nintendo only introduced 100 Pokemon in Generation II is because the Gameboy Color only supports 8-bit, so the maximum number of Pokemon was 255, plus they needed a spot for the eggs to go (which turned out to be #253). When moving onto the Gameboy Advance, the 16-bit allowed more Pokemon to be added, to a total of 386, in order, the first 251 Pokemon in National Dex order, 25 beta Unown in slots 252-276, the 136 new Pokemon (ending oddly enough with chimeco), then all the actual Unown, the egg, the bad EGG, and then the rest is all glitches that have yet to be researched. Hashikin ko Tyni Kong Taria Haju'Rumia'an Klodz'Proddi. Terdish oxen saur yessi atai Kongo Dolpik! |
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Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
Yes, but why do I need more than 256 possibilities, to create the cardiovascular system, or one of its components? |
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Wiimeiser |
Not just the heart, but the whole list of chemicals. Hashikin ko Tyni Kong Taria Haju'Rumia'an Klodz'Proddi. Terdish oxen saur yessi atai Kongo Dolpik! |
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Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
Well it's not going to be that complex, I think I can probably get by with the remaining "spare" chemicals, at least to start with. |
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Wiimeiser |
Having multiple banks would be an advantage though. One bank could be for Creature Biochemistry, one for the Environment, and one for Breed Gene IDs. Hashikin ko Tyni Kong Taria Haju'Rumia'an Klodz'Proddi. Terdish oxen saur yessi atai Kongo Dolpik! |
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