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(C1) Norns always hungry?   
Perichan

Perichan



  8/17/2015

First post is a question, I know... Dx

Okay, I have to ask. My norns are driving me up the wall. xD Just to be clear, I've searched quite a bit for info on this issue and couldn't find anything, so sorry if it's been answered already. >w> I'm also sort of just getting into creatures, so be warned.

So I have four norns right now. Foxy and Nancy: some of the addon norns, if I'm correct. They work perfectly fine. The other two are Birdie and Bibble, the cause of my torment. Birdie is a very slow eater, but she DOES eat. The problem is, her hunger goes up so much faster than Foxy or Nancy's, so she's always hungry. And Bibble is the child of Birdie and Foxy (sigh), and if it's possible, he's even worse off than Birdie! It drives me mad because I am constantly trying to force them to eat, but it hardly does any good! I had another norn, Momo, who is currently exported who had the same issue. She's another hatchery norn, the same kind as Birdie (a banana norn, I guess?)

I don't know if they could have some sort of mutation (Birdie's a hatchery norn...) or defect, or if they've been raised incorrectly? Though like I said, they DO eat, and I raised Foxy and Nancy as well.

All the issues I'm finding are of norns not eating...these guys do eat, their hunger just shoots up and is constantly in the red. They don't seem to be sick, they've been like that since birth (Momo and Bibble, definitely), and I even tried feeding them a Feverfew, which didn't seem to do any good.

Sorry for the long post, but I'm not sure what kind of info is needed for a Creatures problem. ._.' Any help would be appreciated. Love these guys, but I don't know how long I can deal with this.

 
Layla

Layla
United States  
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  8/17/2015

Hi Perichan! Does their hunger bar drop at all after they eat? When my norns have abnormally high hunger, I usually give them cheese, as it takes down more of the bar than most foods. Also, how quickly does the bar go back up?

I serve none but to rock.
 
Laura
Tea Queen

Laura
United Kingdom  
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  8/17/2015

Have you tried using the Strained Carrots? I've found them very useful for training picky Norns to eat, and they contain a lot of beneficial properties.

They also come in handy vendor form too. :)

 
GirlySatan
Devil COBbler

GirlySatan
United States  

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  8/17/2015

Lots of cheese!

Devilishly Yours,
GirlySatan [devil]

 
Perichan

Perichan



  8/17/2015

I tried the strained carrots, and they seemed convinced this wasn't food. xD After probably an hour of trying to convince them, I got them to eat a LITTLE bit. Seems to help in the sense that it fills them up quite a bit, but their hunger still rapidly shoots up afterwards.

Haven't tried adding more cheese yet, but I feel like it'll do about the same thing. :/ Still might try in a few minutes.

And Layla, you mean does eating help them at all? Because it does fill them up a bit, they just get hungry so, so quickly afterwards. I have some norns that are almost never hungry, but these ones seem to get hungry faster than the grendels!

 
Wingheart

Wingheart
New Zealand  


  8/17/2015

Do you have the carrot and lemon fixes?
Because if not, they learn that eating doesn't always work and start looking for things that DO always work.

 
Malkin

Malkin
Australia  
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  8/18/2015

As I remember, grendels seem more satisfied than norns with food - partially to help grendels in the 'wild'.

My TCR Norns
 
Perichan

Perichan



  8/18/2015

Alright, sorry this update's a bit long. x_x I figure if anyone else ever gets this issue, more info would be better than less.

Wingheart:
Ah, nope. I don't have those fixes. xD Could be worth looking into as well. If it's relevant to anyone, I think my only fixes/cobs are: auto cheese vendor, strained carrots machine, and multiple grendel button.
Malkin:
Oh, really? xD I could have sworn I read something about them generally being hungry all the time. And I thought mine was, but he actually seems relatively normal now. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. >.>

So I randomly came across this thread which, if I'm understanding this correctly, might give me a few more ideas.
(...If I'm not supposed to post outside links, feel free to hit me. Looks like it's fine... /headache)

So this is my take on what they're saying (but I'm still waiting on confirmation on if I'm actually understanding or not. xD):

...the problem is that when the standard norns get hungry, they eat starch, which converts into glycogen, and the process of converting the glycogen into glucose makes them hungry? So pretty much eating the natural food of the game makes them hungry?

(They also mention that it seems to be more of a genetic issue, instead of a "personal" issue, I guess you could say. I was starting to assume, but it's nice to have some more confirmation. xD)

Since it sounds like starch, and eventually glycogen might be the issue, I'm thinking about trying some COB foods that offer some glycogen, so maybe my norns can avoid a bit of this cycle. After a bit of reading, I'm thinking either corn or watermelon.

And while she still may prove me wrong, my original hyper-hungry norn Birdie almost seems to be a little bit better...? Now she's just an extremely slow/picky eater, even with the strained carrots, but her hungry doesn't seem to skyrocket quite as much. o.o I dunno. Just thought I'd throw that in. I'm so confused. :'D

 
Wingheart

Wingheart
New Zealand  


  8/19/2015

The fixes are actually really important, the person's also planning on making empty honey pots and halfgrown herbs/weeds invisible as well so that the norns can learn properly and not get stimmed with a massive amount of disappointment for trying to eat something that's not ready.
 
Malkin

Malkin
Australia  
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  8/19/2015

I seem to recall something implying that when grendels eat, the nutrition lasts them longer than norns. This is, of course, open to experimentation.

My TCR Norns
 
evolnemesis
Code Monkey

evolnemesis
United States  


  8/19/2015

I just remember my C1 Grendel being a lot better at eating than my Norn... he'd walk up when he'd see me trying to feed a Norn and wait patiently for a few minutes while I'd be saying 'push food', and the Norn would be staring at the cheese, picking it up, staring at it more, talking about it, dropping it again, basically doing everything but eating it... Finally the Grendel would just grab the food and eat it himself, as if to show my Norn how it's done.

"For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love."
"We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan

 
Wingheart

Wingheart
New Zealand  


  8/19/2015

Your grendel probably was really hungry and not confused by the Carrot Disappointment Code Muckup.
I like calling it that. C1 norns are much better eaters with the carrots and lemons altered to be brain friendly instead of stimming them with pain (lemons) or huge amounts of disappointment half the time (carrots).

 
Malkin

Malkin
Australia  
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  8/19/2015  1

Just as an aside - if you try a food cob and you like it, please consider hitting the 'like' button or leaving a comment on its page - that way, people can get to see which food cobs are popular. :)

My TCR Norns
 
Perichan

Perichan



  8/20/2015

Seriously, thanks so much for all the replies and suggestions, guys. ;-; I've already got the lemon and carrot fixes downloaded, and will try them out a little bit later when I'm not as busy.

And it really is kind of funny how the grendels, of all things, are almost smarter/better behaved than the actual norns sometimes... xD Mine's becoming a complete angel. His name is Greg. I can't take him seriously, but he's wonderful. :P

 
ylukyun
Patient Pirate

ylukyun

Manager



  8/20/2015

Have you thought of breeding Grendels? :)
 
evolnemesis
Code Monkey

evolnemesis
United States  


  8/20/2015

I think in C1, the grendels actually are smarter, I think they just learn and kind of do what they find works... Their brains are kind of vanilla neural nets with the basic instincts programmed in... (only the default game scripts make them hit when they think they are being friendly... My grendel actually figured it out, it got sad when the Norn would run from him so he stopped trying to pet it)

Norns in C1, at least it is hinted from some comments by Steve Grand and others, seem to have also been specially tweaked to be particularly absent-minded, bratty, and difficult on purpose.


"For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love."
"We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan

 


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