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 KC11    |
I decided to sort of finish an old project of mine, and so here it is at last: Universal Kisspop It's a replacement DS creatureBreeding file that enables kisspopping between species as well as across the same gender, essentially by removing code that prevents such things. Interbreeding across the same sex and between species isn't possible, but this is an excellent (and entertaining) start. Free'd Love  In the file are: -The actual cos file -Adam and Steve, the creature world's first gay interspecies couple (ettin and treehugger norn) -Adama and Stevette, female versions of Adam and Steve -Tristan and Isolda, a straight ettin/grendel couple -And finally, Cpt Jack H., a standalone norn with all the instincts in place to kisspop pretty much anything that moves (male and female norns, ettins, grendels, and geats). Even without all the mating instincts in place, it seems that creatures will still mate across the same sex and different species if they are extremely friendly and it is the only available option. "Default" creatures will still prefer the usual same species different sex, as opposed to those with all the new mating instincts that have no mating preferences. Ultimately, however, this means that the right geneticist can possibly create a breed with purely genetic mating tastes, as opposed to those determined by the game code. All creatures in this pack are based on the CFE genome, and the Duocyclo Ettin genome. This pack contains several Creatures that require specific, non default game provided sound files. Edit: On the same vein, we now have hermaphroditic capabilities in norns: Hermaphrodite.cos BE WARNED: All creatures can now BOTH get pregnant and pass on sperm. This means that for every single mating, it is highly likely that at least two offspring will result, one for the male and one for the female. This means you could potentially overpopulate your world. You'll also get a lot of junk notifications, for those who find that annoying. Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)> |
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 TheSecond |
This is something I was trying to do, but couldn't wrap me head around the caos. I must see if this will work with my hermaphroditic genome. Thanks! [edit] I should have known better. As with the default creaturebreeding.cos, this only requests sperm from the male and only transmits to the female. Hence, no way for F->F or M->M or F->M fertilization. Still nicely done though. My favorite norn is still Belldandy. |
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KC11 |
I just made a cos file that might be able to help you, actually. It's based on Wopsy's Gay norn genome, basically merging the Breeding Gays with this cos file. All you'll need to do is inject your hermaphrodite norns with chem 14. Edit: Here's the file: http://www.2shared.com/file/5Pa6AC-f/DS_creatureBreeding__gay_breed.html I know it works to breed M -> M, but I'm not sure if it changes F -> M at all, I hope not. I'll double check that now. Edit: Holy quack....I think it worked...I just put in two females and one male and all three of them got pregnant at once. Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)> |
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TheSecond |
Lol, so much for needing female reproductive organs to get pregnant, huh? I find it funny that the engine does not check for the proper equipment. I wonder if there's a reason for it. My favorite norn is still Belldandy. |
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KC11 |
Well, the way Wop wrote it, I think it basically bypassed all that...junk stuff. You still would need to add some female organs to the male though, so it could actually bring the egg to term and lay it. Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)> |
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TheSecond |
I'll give it a try with the Herms tomorrow. Thanks again  My favorite norn is still Belldandy. |
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 Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
Male Transgendered Norns have a uterus and can lay eggs. Love the names. |
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 Tea Queen Laura Administrator |
Nice one KC11, I'm definitely a fan! Anything to make the game even more interesting. |
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 Puddini |
This is pretty interesting! Adam and Steve? I C WHAT U DID THAR! |
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 Feddlefew |
I wonder if it would be possible to make hermaphroditic geats? There would be a lot of programing that would need to go into that though. Note: I believe creature breeds in which the males can get pregnant should have uteri, because frankly they need some way to get the embryo into the egg and out of their bodies. |
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KC11 |
The thing about creatures and their reproductive parts is that, like any organ, the uterus is basically there as a recognizable "chunk" of genes for a certain function, in this case the production of progesterone. It doesn't control whether or not a norn can carry a child, that is all completely determined by the code. If you used Devthing you could "store" an egg in a male (I think) or even a baby. It's just not comin' out, because there is no uterus to produce progesterone and no birthing pose genes available. So the only function of the uterus for creatures, as far as I remember, is to get that baby out. Still a noble purpose. Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)> |
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KC11 |
Feddlefew wrote: I can't see how that would be impossible with this cos file. Geats breed with the same code all creatures do. Just go in with the gene kit, change a few values, and it should work. Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)> |
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Feddlefew |
KC11 wrote: That's what I said. *DEADPAN FACE* In some placental mammals (like humans- look up ectopic pregnancy if you're not squeamish) the blastocyst can implant in any blood rich tissue, and if it has enough space can be "viable", it's just not coming out without a Cesarian. Edit: Yeah I know .CAOS tricks would make it possible to extract eggs, but I really wouldn't consider that a successful pregnancy. |
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KC11 |
Feddlefew wrote: KC11 wrote: That's what I said. *DEADPAN FACE* In some placental mammals (like humans- look up ectopic pregnancy if you're not squeamish) the blastocyst can implant in any blood rich tissue, and if it has enough space can be "viable", it's just not coming out without a Cesarian. Edit: Yeah I know .CAOS tricks would make it possible to extract eggs, but I really wouldn't consider that a successful pregnancy. That was more directed at the person making the herm Norns, should have quoted them. You most likely wouldn't need .caos tricks if you enabled the uterus for the menfolk too. I'll need to test this. Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)> |
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 Jessica |
This reminds me of the movie Junior with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito... But alas, I have nothing great to add to the conversation, aside from the fact that I like how something we've accepted for so long is now being looked at in more detail. Really pushes the boundaries of what Creatures can do! Then again, are there really any boundaries? |
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Feddlefew |
Ah, sorry, thought that was directed at me. Eggs and sperm won't combine without chaos tricks, since the breeding scripts (to my knowlage) determine if creatures produce eggs or sperm. |
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KC11 |
Is there really egg and sperm though? I'm still figuring the code out, but I think all egg and sperm are in game are different classification. If you want to get that much in depth, you could always place them under the same classifier. Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)> |
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Feddlefew |
It's a script- basically all it does is check that both the male and female kisspopping creatures are fertile before it starts generating a genome and making the female creature pregnant. To do this, it checks that the female is ovulating (there is a receptor locus that tells the game if this is the case) and that the male's fertility chemicals are at least a certain level (I don't remember if there is a receptor that checks to see if this is the case). Obviously this prevents same sex couplings. |
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KC11 |
To be honest, I'm still slightly confused as to your point. We're talking about the base game here, right? Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)> |
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Feddlefew |
I think so. 9_6 |
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 Bifrost |
Quite frankly, with the seemingly significant amount of queer player base of this community, it surprises me that the restrictions have been actively put in the game in the first place. This seems like a most welcome touch, KC11. Thanks. On the other hand, I think I like the physiologic gender restrictions. Ovaries are needed to carry an egg, and overrunning that fact seems pointless to me - it would remove realism. But with the gene technology available, males with ovaries or sperm producing females could be a gengineered possibility. |
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Feddlefew |
Biologicaly, the definition weather a critter is male, female, hermaphrodite, or asexual depends on which gametes they produce in order to reproduce. Or don't in the case of that last one. There's problems with that definition because some critters change sex over their lifespan and it doesn't account for trans/cis and intersex individuals. And the plant kingdom is just weird, like usual. |
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 Lollipop Lord C-Rex |
Out of curiousity, is asexual reproduction among Creatures possible e.g: babies being instantly spawned whenever successful mating occurs? |
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Feddlefew |
That wouldn't be asexual. It would be more like a creature cloning itself if certain conditions were met with a chance for mutations. It would get very boring, I think. |
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Missmysterics |
This is exactly what I was looking for, can't wait to test it out! |
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 magpie-angel |
i'll have to try this out at some point my only problem would be that they'd be interested in the same sex and die out xD |
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Missmysterics |
I tried to make the cos work so that creatures can hatch underwater, but the usual method doesn't seem to work with this particular cos file, could you possibly make an 'underwater eggs' version? |
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 Peppery One Papriko |
Why doesn't the method work with this one? You just have to bypass a doif or two in the egg timer script. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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Jessica |
Did you follow the instructions included with the Colortrue Pearl Mermaid Norns? I also provided a description on how to do this here. Like Papriko said, I don't see why this wouldn't work. Hope this helps! |
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Missmysterics |
^yes, the .cos file wont seem to inject when I make the edit, despite it working fine with my previous version of the DS creaturebreeding.cos On another note the free love .cos seems to be allowing two females to actually breed. |
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