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Protonic3000

Protonic3000
United States  


  7/6/2018  1

Hey yall I've been very interested in the brains of creatures recently and the ways they learn from their experiences. However I can not for the life of me get these two CAOS commands to work...what I assume I can do with these commands is to save the dendrite weights of a tract I specify to a file using PLMD. Then read said file and overwrite the tract I specify with PLMU. However the CAOS documentation mentions something about how these two commands will be changed to sync with something called Palm so maybe they are deprecated commands??? Idk...I'm not really knowledgeable on COAS and would love some help on how im correctly supposed to use these commands.

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Papriko
Peppery One

Papriko
Germany  


  7/7/2018  1

To be honest, I tried to look up all of these in my local CAOS categorical and I am as dumbfounded as you are. Might very well be that you are the first one in 20something years to ask questions about weird, obscure commands like these.
When people mess with the brains (which is hard enough in and of it's own) it's typically in form of genetics. CAOS brain editing is pretty much unheard of, unless you count crude "mind reading" agents like the health bar or my very own CRC...
Though, I do not want to discourage you! If you can figure out stuff on your own, we would love it if you shared your experiences. Just, right now it seems like we can't be of much help.


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Pilla
Fuzzy Dragonhat

Pilla
Belgium  

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  7/7/2018  1

Hello!

I've tried out the PLM command and it outputs a file in the Docking Station folder. When I opened that file in a text editor I got a whole lot of something that looks like hex numbers. Haha, I have never dabbled into brains so I wouldn't know anything about what those numbers mean.

But yeah, basically, when I do targ norn plmd 1 "whiz" I get a file. Whatever that file means is beyond me.

I don't know how useful this is or anything. I don't think the PALM command/syncing was ever implemented, I can't find back anything about it in any case.


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Protonic3000

Protonic3000
United States  


  7/7/2018  1

Im screaming! I forgot that I needed quotation marks. The file is all the dendrite data from tract 1 of whatever creature you were targeting. I just tested it on a norn named Neem and got her driv->comb since thats all their experiences and "personality" and attempted to imprint it onto a grendel but uuuhhh...the dendrites have the correct weights but they are not attached to the correct neurons...

I guess saving brain states of norns is a bit more difficult than i thought lol...I thought i solved my question I asked on here a few years ago but I guess not. I wonder if there is a way to dump the entire brain as binary data and imprint it onto another creature. Lemme go look at the CAOS commands tho. Also thanks Pilla!


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Protonic3000

Protonic3000
United States  


  7/7/2018

Actually now that I stop and think about it, dendrite x in one creature will not have the same starting and ending connection as dendrite x in another creature because they migrate...I haven't a clue how I could guide specific dendrites to migrate exactly where I want them too...

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Malkin

Malkin
Australia  
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  7/7/2018

Wow, you want to do a brain transplant?

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Protonic3000

Protonic3000
United States  


  7/7/2018  2

Yeah, I've been flirting with the idea since like 4 years ago when I made a whole post about it too. I like the possibilities it opens up. As far as I know an exported creature file doesn't have any brain data included so the creature is effectively "killed" on export. However I've exported creatures during a session and imported them back into the same world a few seconds later and their brain data was intact according to Brain In a Vat (which only seems to not throw runtime errors at me if the world im playing in is undocked strangely enough) So idk. Maybe its lost only between computers??

But anyways yeah id love to to back up the mindstates of my older norns before death, clone them a new body and "download" them into it. The brains are the same between species i think, so if i could figure it out I could just imprint them into any body. Kinda like reincarnation i guess. Maybe even help creatures with faulty genetics by "downloading" them into cloned bodies with corrected genes...idk.

Oh, if anyone wants to see what brought my attention back to this after so many years i've been spending a lot of time reading from this amazing world building site called Orion's Arm, here's the specific article: Engenerator Technology


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