Creatures Caves

Whoa. It feels like after the CCSF, the whole community was pretty drained and very quiet for a long while. I understand that since myself I have had and still have trouble engaging in some of my hobbies, but it's good to see at least this topic was revisited and then restarted with more runs.

Elegnaim wrote:
@TheDrunkenNorn: Reading through this inspired me to give a Kannova Venterra-based wolfling run a shot, but I need some advice :S

They're performing generally excellently except for in the little room with the red berries beneath the Tree of Seasons (or whatever the big tree by the deep ocean is).

Did you have any issues with norns getting trapped in there when you were doing your run? I feel like the lift is a LITTLE too close to the wall maybe and the anti-wallbonk gene is scaring them away from approaching it :S

- Make a breed for Norns that form family bonds, hand-raising and whatnot
- Everyone who actually uses them uses them for Wolfling runs

I'm glad to hear they actually perform well (especially if someone's finally using the newer version), but do they seem to breed more slowly in a Wolfling run or anything? I was worried that in free-run Norn groups the 'parents/children being around lowers sex drive' mechanism would really make it troublesome for them to breed once things get crowded (in smaller populations the breed with altered breeding mechanisms actually performed well).

Generally Norns seem to have some problems in smaller spaces. While the instincts work more on a reward basis and are set in a manner so that the Norns don't actually 'fear' walls, the extra stimuli could teach individual Norns to avoid them, yes.

TheDrunkenNorn wrote:
Nevermind. I tried to have the Borg Norns assimilate the Violent Norns, but the only thing they did is crash my game. I booted it back up, and the Borg Norns weren't in the last save file. I'll just keep going with the Violent Norn run, and ignore the Borg Norns as they're one of those "overcomplicated, barely-working" breeds like the Hivemind Ettins.

I'm stills sad about my worlds not running the Hivemind Ettins properly. I wonder if it may be some compatibility issue on a newer systems like many C2 problems. I mean, some of my own issues were fairly mundane, but the fact that 1 in 2 Hebe Norn models has a detached head on my computer is odd.

TheDrunkenNorn wrote:
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@Malkin

I actually plan on using the Ivrogne Canny Norns that were uploaded in a future Wolfling Run. As well, I'm very much eyeing the Iscah Ettins and the Bonewall grendels. I didn't see that someone had actually fulfilled my wallpaper request until you mentioned it, though!

I uploaded some Ivrogne / K.V. crossbreeds to Creatures Repository last year, you shouldn't have trouble finding them if you wanted to use them.

TheDrunkenNorn wrote:
One of the Hates just died too (Female). I am taking back my previous statement; I just think this is an ill-fated species. The Norns that isolated themselves did fine, but any Norns that came close to physical contact with their siblings attacked their brethren relentlessly until death. None of the incapacitated ones are hungry, so they aren't starving themselves...

I do think they're beating each other to death. Every one of them has died due to body-related injuries. I think they're beating each other up until they are physically crippled from the injuries. These Violent Norns are worse than Grendels, actually. They are far more malignant.

Well, they are called Violent Norns

There are multiple ways to produce creatures that are particularly prone to hitting others. Kannova Venterra are supposed to hit their siblings mildly more often when bored, but the siblign recognition system, unlike parent/child recognition system, is messed up; this is balanced by them also getting positive stimuli by being friendly with their siblings. One could make Norns that grow very angry specifically from Grendels or Ettins, one that get angry from crowding or excessive social behaviors, etc.

Or one could make Norns that are angry as a basic biological function. Which generally leads to the population not being very stable

While instances of Nornicide aren't nowhere near as common as DS/C3 Norns, C2 creatures can hit each other to injury, death from stimuli, or death from excessive injury, so, yeah, those guys are murdering each other faster than they can grow up and breed.

I'm pretty sure there are some breeds that do it to a lesser degree (Scorpio Norns?), but while a grumpy Norn population has its own benefits, no one benefits from them straight-up preferring to kill each other over doing other stuff 100% of the time.